Proof of sequence convergence via the "ε-N" definition

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the sequence \(\frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity, specifically showing that it converges to 0 using the \(\epsilon-N\) definition of convergence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the inequality \(\left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} \right| < \epsilon\) and explore how to establish bounds for this expression. There is a focus on understanding how to derive the comparison to \(\frac{2}{n}\) and the reasoning behind it.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the reasoning process for bounding the expression, noting that the relationship to \(\frac{2}{n}\) arises from substituting larger values for \(n\). There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in determining appropriate bounds for more complex expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express concerns about the lack of access to computational tools for verifying their reasoning, highlighting the importance of developing intuition and experience in handling such limits.

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Homework Statement


Prove that \lim \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} = 0

Homework Equations


(x_{n}) converges to L if
\forall \hspace{0.2cm} \epsilon &gt; 0 \hspace{0.2cm} \exists \hspace{0.2cm} N\in \mathbb{N} \hspace{0.2cm} \text{such that} \hspace{0.2cm} \forall n\geq N \hspace{0.2cm} , |x_{n}-L|&lt; \epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand most of the workings behind the solution, however there's one step that I can't seem to make a connection with. The solution I am studying goes:

For all \epsilon &gt;0, consider the following inequality:
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1}-0\right| = \left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1}\right| &lt; \epsilon
In fact, one has
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} \right| \leq \left| \frac{2}{n}\right|, \hspace{0.2cm} \forall \hspace{0.2cm}n \geq 100

This \frac{2}{n} is causing the problem. I understand how it is used thereafter in the solution, but how they determine this is my question. I think that, for large n, \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} is kind of like \frac{n}{n^{2}} = \frac{1}{n}, which is almost correct, but not sufficient enough. I guess the question is, how can I be sure that quantity I deduce - in this case \frac{1}{n}, and in their case \frac{2}{n} - will satisfy (or not satisfy) the inequality at hand. Sometimes it is easy, but I find with more complicated expressions it requires some sort of massaging. Note, I won't have access to a calculator/computer to check in the future.
 
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There is no need to take care of how big ##N=N(\varepsilon)## is or how close the inequalities are. All which matters is, that you have
$$
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^2+1} \right| < \ldots < \varepsilon
$$
So how to find ##N(\varepsilon)## is not the question. Be generous: ##\frac{n+100}{n^2+1} < \frac{2n}{n^2+1} < \frac{2n}{n^2} = \frac{2}{n} ## for ##n > 100##. So the ##2## comes in naturally as one substitutes the disturbing ##100## by the larger ##n##. So it's not especially tricky but rather especially sloppy.
 
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Morgan Chafe said:

Homework Statement


Prove that \lim \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} = 0

Homework Equations


(x_{n}) converges to L if
\forall \hspace{0.2cm} \epsilon &gt; 0 \hspace{0.2cm} \exists \hspace{0.2cm} N\in \mathbb{N} \hspace{0.2cm} \text{such that} \hspace{0.2cm} \forall n\geq N \hspace{0.2cm} , |x_{n}-L|&lt; \epsilon

The Attempt at a Solution


I understand most of the workings behind the solution, however there's one step that I can't seem to make a connection with. The solution I am studying goes:

For all \epsilon &gt;0, consider the following inequality:
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1}-0\right| = \left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1}\right| &lt; \epsilon
In fact, one has
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} \right| \leq \left| \frac{2}{n}\right|, \hspace{0.2cm} \forall \hspace{0.2cm}n \geq 100

This \frac{2}{n} is causing the problem. I understand how it is used thereafter in the solution, but how they determine this is my question.
It's a combination of trial and error along with experience. As you note, ##\frac{n + 100}{n^2 + 1}## is similar to ##\frac n {n^2}## in its long-term behavior, but that's not good enough. Someone made the realization that the first fraction could be made smaller than (or equal to) ##\frac 2 n##, and figured out what values of n would make this true.
Morgan Chafe said:
I think that, for large n, \frac{n+100}{n^{2}+1} is kind of like \frac{n}{n^{2}} = \frac{1}{n}, which is almost correct, but not sufficient enough. I guess the question is, how can I be sure that quantity I deduce - in this case \frac{1}{n}, and in their case \frac{2}{n} - will satisfy (or not satisfy) the inequality at hand. Sometimes it is easy, but I find with more complicated expressions it requires some sort of massaging. Note, I won't have access to a calculator/computer to check in the future.
 
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fresh_42 said:
There is no need to take care of how big ##N=N(\varepsilon)## is or how close the inequalities are. All which matters is, that you have
$$
\left| \frac{n+100}{n^2+1} \right| < \ldots < \varepsilon
$$
So how to find ##N(\varepsilon)## is not the question. Be generous: ##\frac{n+100}{n^2+1} < \frac{2n}{n^2+1} < \frac{2n}{n^2} = \frac{2}{n} ## for ##n > 100##. So the ##2## comes in naturally as one substitutes the disturbing ##100## by the larger ##n##. So it's not especially tricky but rather especially sloppy.
Mark44 said:
It's a combination of trial and error along with experience. As you note, ##\frac{n + 100}{n^2 + 1}## is similar to ##\frac n {n^2}## in its long-term behavior, but that's not good enough. Someone made the realization that the first fraction could be made smaller than (or equal to) ##\frac 2 n##, and figured out what values of n would make this true.
Ah, I understand. Thank you for this insight.
 

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