Proof of the value of e without using L'Hopital's rule?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a proof for the limit \( y = \lim_{x \to \infty} (1 + 1/x)^{x} = e \) without employing L'Hopital's rule. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to demonstrate this limit, addressing concerns about circular reasoning in traditional proofs.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that existing proofs rely on L'Hopital's rule, which involves derivatives that presuppose knowledge of the limit converging to \( e \), suggesting a circular argument.
  • Another participant proposes using the binomial theorem to expand \( (1 + 1/n)^n \) and shows that the limit converges to the series \( 1 + \frac{1}{1!} + \frac{1}{2!} + \frac{1}{3!} + \ldots \), which equals \( e \).
  • A different approach is presented involving the logarithm of \( (1 + 1/n)^n \), utilizing the Mean Value Theorem of integral calculus to derive that the limit also approaches \( e \) as \( n \) tends to infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple methods to prove the limit, but there is no consensus on a single approach being superior or universally accepted. The discussion remains open with various perspectives on the proof without L'Hopital's rule.

Contextual Notes

Some methods rely on assumptions about the behavior of series and integrals, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions on the validity of the proofs presented.

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The proofs of y = \displaystyle\lim_{x \to\infty} (1 + 1/x)^{x} = e that I have seen basically involve taking the natural log of both sides and getting the equation in a form where L'Hopital's rule can be applied. The problem I have with this is that it requires taking the derivative of the natural log function, and the proof of the derivative of that requires prior knowledge that the limit above converges to e! It all seems a bit circular - is there a proof of the limit of the compound interest function that doesn't involve using L'Hopital's rule?
 
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Hello,
If you expand it by binomial theorem,

(1+\frac{1}{n})^n=1^n+\begin{pmatrix}n\\ 1\end{pmatrix}1^n\frac{1}{n}+\begin{pmatrix}n\\ 2\end{pmatrix}1^{n-1}(\frac{1}{n})^2+..+\begin{pmatrix}n\\ n\end{pmatrix}(\frac{1}{n})^n
Now we look k. term

\begin{pmatrix}n\\ k\end{pmatrix}\frac{1}{n^k}=\frac{1}{k!}\frac{n(n-1)(n-2)..(n-k+1)}{n^k}\Rightarrow \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\begin{pmatrix}n\\ k\end{pmatrix}\frac{1}{n^k}=\frac{1}{k!}\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}\frac{n(n-1)(n-2)..(n-k+1)}{n^k}=\frac{1}{k!}

So our first serie equals to 1+\frac{1}{1!}+\frac{1}{2!}+\frac{1}{3!}+...=\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}(1+\frac{1}{n})^n=e
 
log(1 + 1/n)^n = nlog(1 + 1/n) = n \int_1^{1 + 1/n} \frac{du}{u} = n*(1/n)*c where 1 < c < 1 + 1/n. Note that I used the MVT of integral calculus.

n*(1/n)*c = c which tends to 1 as n goes to infinity since 1 < c < 1 + 1/n. Thus \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} log(1 + 1/n)^n = 1 so by the continuity of the exponential function, \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} e^{log(1+1/n)^n} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (1 + 1/n)^n = e^1 = e
 
Thanks, everyone!
 

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