Proofing Convergence of a_n = n^{1/n} to 1 - Help Needed!

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the sequence \( a_n = n^{1/n} \) to 1. Participants explore various methods and approaches to establish this limit, with a focus on avoiding certain mathematical tools like the exponential function and natural logarithm.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant, mr. vodka, expresses difficulty in proving the limit directly from the definition and suggests using properties of \(\limsup\) and \(\liminf\) but struggles with the application.
  • Another participant proposes that using the logarithm, specifically showing that \(\ln(n)/n \to 0\), could be a simpler approach, suggesting l'Hôpital's rule as a method.
  • A different participant indicates a preference to avoid using the exponential function, citing course constraints, and seeks alternative methods that do not involve \(e\) or \(\ln\).
  • Some participants discuss the elegance of proofs involving \(e\) and \(\ln\) but acknowledge the need for consistency with the course material.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether a proof exists that avoids both \(e\) and \(\ln\), suggesting contacting a math assistant for further guidance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to prove the limit. There are competing views on whether to use logarithmic functions or to find a proof that avoids them entirely.

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Participants note the constraints of their course material, which influences their preferred methods of proof. There is an acknowledgment of the potential elegance of certain approaches that are not permissible within the context of their current studies.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying analysis who are exploring limits and convergence without the use of exponential functions or logarithms, as well as those interested in alternative proof techniques in mathematical analysis.

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Hello, I was wondering how to proof a_n = n^{1/n} \to 1.

Doing it straight from the definition got me nowhere. But I was thinking. It is obvious that \liminf a_n \geq 1 (since otherwise for big n you could get n^(1/n) < 1 <=> n < 1). And I also have already a proof of \limsup x_n^{1/n} \leq \limsup \frac{x_{n+1}}{x_n} (which is a general result for any row x_n).

But proving \limsup \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \leq 1 seemed to be harder than I thought.

So I'm completely stuck. Any ideas?

Thank you,
mr. vodka
 
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I don't think you need to use lim sup/inf here.

n1/n=eln(n1/n)=eln(n)/n.

So you just need to show that ln(n)/n-->0. Try using l'Hopital's rule.
 
Hm, I'd like to proof it without the use of the exponential function. It's namely introduced in my Analysis course before the exp function, and it's actually used in a proof about power series, which is later used to introduce the e-function. Thanks for your help!
 
If you don't want to use exp function, how about using ln (natural log)?
ln(an) = ln(n)/n -> 0.
 
Well, we defined that as the inverse of e. Any possibilities without e (or ln)? I appreciate the help though! I find the ln/e proofs very elegant, but I hope you understand I'm going to choose for logical consistency in my course :)
 
I'm not sure that there's a way around that doesn't use exp or ln.
 
Oh... But it was left as an exercise for us in our course, so there must be. Hmmm, maybe I should contact one of the math assistants for this one then. Thank you guys for your time.
 
For those that are interested: http://myyn.org/m/article/limit-of-nth-root-of-n/
 
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