Proper time or proper time interval

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the terminology used in physics regarding "proper time" and "proper time interval." Participants explore the implications of these terms as found in various textbooks, questioning their definitions and usage in the context of time measurement in relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant finds the term "proper time" misleading compared to "proper time interval" and seeks opinions on this view.
  • Another participant states that all proper times are intervals, but emphasizes that only time-like intervals can be classified as proper times.
  • A participant argues that when discussing time, it is essential to consider what a running clock displays and suggests that it is more accurate to refer to "proper time interval" rather than just "proper time."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the terms "proper time" and "proper time interval," indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of the terms from the referenced textbooks are not provided, which limits the ability to compare the concepts concretely. The discussion also highlights the importance of the context in which time is measured, but does not resolve the terminology debate.

bernhard.rothenstein
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i find in the literature in different textbooks the term proper time
Thomas A. Moore, Six Ideas that Shaped Physics (McGraw-Hill) 1998
and the term proper time interval
Yuan Zhong Zhang, Special Rekativity and its Fundamental Foundations, (World scientific )
I consider that the first is missleading. What is your oppinion?
Thanks
 
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All proper times are intervals, but not all intervals are proper times, only time-like intervals can be proper times.
 
bernhard.rothenstein said:
i find in the literature in different textbooks the term proper time
Thomas A. Moore, Six Ideas that Shaped Physics (McGraw-Hill) 1998
and the term proper time interval
Yuan Zhong Zhang, Special Rekativity and its Fundamental Foundations, (World scientific )
I consider that the first is missleading. What is your oppinion?
Thanks

What are the specific definitions of these terms from the respective sources?
(Without these definitions, there is nothing concrete for us to compare. I don't have time to go track down these resources.)
 
robphy said:
What are the specific definitions of these terms from the respective sources?
(Without these definitions, there is nothing concrete for us to compare. I don't have time to go track down these resources.)

When we speak about time we have in mind what a runing clock displays.
When we speek about the time elapsed between two events we speak about a time interval measured as a difference between the readings of the same clock or between the readings of two synchronized distant clocks.
That is the reason why IMHO it is correct to speak about proper time interval and coordinate time interval and not about proper time or coordinate time as many authors do.
o.k.?
 

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