Properties of Functions of Bounded Variation

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The discussion revolves around the properties of functions of bounded variation, specifically focusing on proving statements related to partitions and the variation of such functions. The participants engage in reviewing proofs for specific parts of a problem set, exploring both theoretical and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof for part (a) regarding the relationship between variations of a function over different partitions, employing the triangle inequality.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the proof for part (a) and suggests an inductive approach for part (b), hinting at the use of specific partitions to show convergence.
  • A later reply reiterates the inductive argument for part (b) and emphasizes the need for refining partitions to ensure the sequence of variations is increasing.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about when to refine partitions and seeks clarification on the construction of the desired sequence.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the sequence of variations is increasing based solely on the inequalities provided, arguing that the choices made for partitions at different steps are not necessarily related.
  • It is noted that while the variations converge to the bounded variation of the function, this does not imply that the sequence is increasing without additional constraints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the proof for part (a) and the need for an inductive approach in part (b). However, there is disagreement regarding the implications of the inequalities on the monotonicity of the sequence of variations, with some participants asserting that the sequence may not be increasing without proper refinement of partitions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of refining partitions in constructing sequences of variations and the necessity of ensuring that these sequences are related to maintain monotonicity. There are unresolved issues regarding the specific conditions under which the sequence of variations can be guaranteed to be increasing.

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Sorry for all the questions. Reviewing for my midterm next week. Fun fun.
If someone could take a look at my proof for (a) and help me out with (b) that'd be awesome!

(a) Let $\Delta$ be a partition of $[a, b]$ that is a refinement of partition $\Delta'$. For a real-value function $f$ on $[a, b]$, show that $V(f, \Delta') \leq V(f, \Delta)$.

Proof:
Consider
$\Delta' = \left\{x_0, x_1, ... , x_n\right\}$
and a refinement of $\Delta'$
$\Delta = \left\{x_0, x_1, ... , x_n, y\right\}$

Any refinement of $\Delta'$ can be created simply by adding points to $\Delta'$. So, it will suffice to consider the case when one point is added.
Assume, $x_j < y < x_{j+1}$ for some $0 \leq j \leq n-1$.
Then,
$\left| f(x_{j+1}) - f(x_j) \right| = \left| f(x_{j+1}) - f(y) + f(y) - f(x_j) \right| \leq \left| f(x_{j+1}) - f(y) \right| + \left| f(y) - f(x_j) \right|$
(By the triangle inequality)
Then,
$V(f, \Delta') = \sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\left| f(x_{k+1}) - f(x_k) \right| = \left| f(x_{j+1}) - f(x_j) \right| + \sum_{k=0, k \ne j}^{n-1}\left| f(x_{k+1}) - f(x_k) \right| \leq \left| f(x_{j+1}) - f(y) \right| + \left| f(y) - f(x_j) \right| + \sum_{k=0, k \ne j}^{n-1}\left| f(x_{k+1}) - f(x_k) \right| = V(f, \Delta) $

Then the proof is complete when adding one single point and we are done. (If we added more we would simply apply the triangle equality multiple times and repeat the same process.)

(b) Assume $f$ is of bounded variation on $[a, b]$. Show that there is a sequence of partitions $(\Delta_n)$ of $[a, b]$ for which the sequence $V(f, \Delta_n)$ is increasing and converges to $V(f, [a, b])$.
 
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Hi joypav,

Your work for part (a) looks good, nice job.

Part (b) is essentially an induction argument. Here are a few hints to help you with it:
  1. For $n\in\mathbb{N}$, by the definition of a function's variation on an interval as a supremum, there are partitions $\Delta_{n}'$ such that $$V(f,[a,b])-\dfrac{1}{n}< V(f,\Delta_{n}')\leq V(f,[a,b]).$$
  2. Refine the $\Delta_{n}'$ to a new sequence $\Delta_{n}$ so that $\Delta_{n}\subseteq \Delta_{n+1}$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}.$
  3. Use your result from part (a) to conclude that the sequence of values $V(f,\Delta_{n})$ is increasing and satisfies $$\lim_{n} V(f,\Delta_{n})=V(f,[a,b]).$$
Let me know if anything is still unclear.
 
GJA said:
Hi joypav,

Your work for part (a) looks good, nice job.

Part (b) is essentially an induction argument. Here are a few hints to help you with it:
  1. For $n\in\mathbb{N}$, by the definition of a function's variation on an interval as a supremum, there are partitions $\Delta_{n}'$ such that $$V(f,[a,b])-\dfrac{1}{n}< V(f,\Delta_{n}')\leq V(f,[a,b]).$$
  2. Refine the $\Delta_{n}'$ to a new sequence $\Delta_{n}$ so that $\Delta_{n}\subseteq \Delta_{n+1}$ for all $n\in\mathbb{N}.$
  3. Use your result from part (a) to conclude that the sequence of values $V(f,\Delta_{n})$ is increasing and satisfies $$\lim_{n} V(f,\Delta_{n})=V(f,[a,b]).$$
Let me know if anything is still unclear.

Let me see if I'm getting it...

$V(f, [a,b]) = sup_\Delta V(f,\Delta)$
(by definition of supremum) $\implies \forall \epsilon > 0, \exists V(f,\Delta_\epsilon)$ such that,
$V(f, [a,b]) - \epsilon < V(f,\Delta_\epsilon) \leq V(f, [a,b])$

To create our desired sequence, we will let $\epsilon = 1/n$.
Then,
$\forall \epsilon = 1/n > 0, \exists V(f,\Delta_n)$ such that,
$V(f, [a,b]) - 1/n < V(f,\Delta_n) \leq V(f, [a,b])$

Consider the sequence of partitions $(\Delta_n)_{n \in \Bbb{N}}$ of the smallest partition $\Delta_n$ that satisfy this inequality.
As $n$ increases, $1/n$ decreases, $\implies \forall n \in \Bbb{N}, V(f,\Delta_n) \leq V(f,\Delta_{n+1})$.
$\implies$ the sequence $(V(f,\Delta_n))_{n \in \Bbb{N}}$ is increasing.

Then,
$\forall \epsilon > 0$, if $n > 1/\epsilon$,
$\implies \left| V(f,\Delta_n) - V(f,[a,b]) \right| < \left| V(f,[a,b]) - 1/n - V(f,[a,b]) \right| = \left| -1/n \right| = 1/n < \epsilon$

$\implies (V(f,\Delta_n))_{n \in \Bbb{N}} \rightarrow V(f,[a,b])$I'm not sure when I need to refine my partitions $\Delta_n$? Let me know what needs fixing!
 
Hi joypav,

joypav said:
To create our desired sequence, we will let $\epsilon = 1/n$.
Then,
$\forall \epsilon = 1/n > 0, \exists V(f,\Delta_n)$ such that,
$V(f, [a,b]) - 1/n < V(f,\Delta_n) \leq V(f, [a,b])$

This is correct. In order to match the notation of part (a), I would recommend calling these $\Delta_{n}'$ because they are not the sequence of partitions we ultimately want to use.

joypav said:
Consider the sequence of partitions $(\Delta_n)_{n \in \Bbb{N}}$ of the smallest partition $\Delta_n$ that satisfy this inequality.
As $n$ increases, $1/n$ decreases, $\implies \forall n \in \Bbb{N}, V(f,\Delta_n) \leq V(f,\Delta_{n+1})$.
$\implies$ the sequence $(V(f,\Delta_n))_{n \in \Bbb{N}}$ is increasing.

This is not correct: $1-\dfrac{1}{n}<V(f,\Delta_{n})\leq V(f,[a,b])$ for all $n$ does not imply $V(f,\Delta_{n})$ is an increasing sequence. For example, $3.5<3.9\leq 4$ could correspond to $n=2$ and $3.\bar{6}<3.75\leq 4$ could correspond to $n=3$ (assuming $V(f,[a,b])=4$, say). But $3.75<3.9,$ so we can't say the sequence is necessarily increasing. This is why you need to refine the partitions and rely on part (a).

Edit. Put another way, the choices you're making for the $\Delta_{n}$ at this point are not related to each other in any way; i.e., what you choose at the $n^{\text{th}}$ step has no bearing on what choice you're making at the $(n+1)^{\text{st}}$ step. This is why we want to proceed inductively rather than randomly. That is, we want to use our knowledge of what occurs at the the $n^{\text{th}}$ step to guide our choice at the $(n+1)^{\text{st}}$ step. Doing so will allow us to meet the extra constraint of creating an increasing sequence, rather than one that simply converges to $V(f,[a,b]).$

joypav said:
Then,
$\forall \epsilon > 0$, if $n > 1/\epsilon$,
$\implies \left| V(f,\Delta_n) - V(f,[a,b]) \right| < \left| V(f,[a,b]) - 1/n - V(f,[a,b]) \right| = \left| -1/n \right| = 1/n < \epsilon$

$\implies (V(f,\Delta_n))_{n \in \Bbb{N}} \rightarrow V(f,[a,b])$

This is true because the $V(f,\Delta_{n})$ satisfy $V(f,[a,b])-\dfrac{1}{n}<V(f,\Delta_{n})\leq V(f,[a,b])$ for all $n$. Note that this step does not require the sequence $V(f,\Delta_{n})$ to be increasing.
 
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