Proton Volts vs. Electron Volts: Impact on Energy Measurement

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The discussion revolves around the implications of using proton volts instead of electron volts as units of energy measurement. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between these units, considering their application in physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relevance of measuring energy in proton volts, suggesting that the original question may not make sense since electron volts are already defined as units of energy.
  • Another participant asserts that a proton volt would effectively be the same as an electron volt, given that both particles have charges of equal magnitude but opposite signs.
  • Some participants claim that proton volts are indeed used in practice, although they are typically referred to as electron volts.
  • A humorous remark is made about the possibility of using positron volts as an alternative unit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and nomenclature of proton volts versus electron volts. There is no consensus on whether proton volts are commonly used or if the distinction between the two is significant.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of energy units and the implications of charge magnitude are present, but these remain unresolved within the discussion.

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Suppose scientists had chosen to measure small energies in proton volts rather than electron volts. What difference would this make?
 
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Doesn't the proton have the same charge as the electron? It's really late and I'm tired and can't think, but I'm clinging to that statement because I can't imagine how else hydrogen would be neutral. So that means the charge of the proton is just +e, whereas the electron is -e. Incidentally, the electron volt (and the proton volt, I guess) are units of energy, not charge. So your original question doesn't make sense. Scientists don't measure charge in electron volts in the first place.

The electron volt is the amount by which the energy of a particle with charge of magnitude e would change as it moved through a potential difference of one volt. The only difference between the two is that the electron would lose energy and the proton would gain energy (if the potential difference were positive i.e. if the electric potential *increased* by one volt between the starting and final positions of the charge). Vice versa if the potential difference were negative. Again, it's late, and I may have the signs wrong. You figure it out. Either way, it's irrelevant because we're just considering the *amount* by which the energy changed and using that as a unit of energy.
 
Yes, a "proton volt" would be the same as an "electron volt," as a unit of energy, because the magnitude of the charge is the same on the two particles.
 
I'll assert that we really do use protonvolts in practice, since we use (+e) times (+1v) for this unit of energy. We just call it an electronvolt.
 
Redbelly98 said:
I'll assert that we really do use protonvolts in practice, since we use (+e) times (+1v) for this unit of energy. We just call it an electronvolt.

Good call...(IMO), as far as nomenclature is concerned.
 
Of course, one could also argue we are using positronvolts :biggrin:
 

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