Prove Binomial Identity: Differentiation vs Subsitution

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The discussion revolves around proving a binomial identity using a specific substitution and the binomial theorem. The original poster presents a series of binomial coefficients with alternating signs and seeks assistance in proving the identity without relying on differentiation.

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  • Participants explore the application of the identity k\binom{n}{k}=n\binom{n-1}{k-1} and discuss the implications of substituting this into the given sum. There are questions about the necessity of multiplying by k and the interpretation of the resulting sums.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and questioning each other's reasoning. Some suggest simpler approaches while others express confusion about the complexity of the methods being discussed. There is no clear consensus on the best approach yet.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the interpretation of binomial coefficients and their combinatorial meanings, particularly in relation to selecting items from a set. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the homework context, which may limit the methods they can use.

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Prove this using this identity:
<br /> k\binom{n}{k}=n\binom{n-1}{k-1}<br />
<br /> \binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+3\binom{n}{3}+...+(-1)<sup>n-1</sup>\binom{n}{n}<br />

I was able to do this via differentiation, but not using this substitution. Any hints would be great.
 
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Hi chaotixmonjuish! :smile:

(use ^ and _ not sup and sub in latex :wink:)
chaotixmonjuish said:
Prove this using this identity:
<br /> k\binom{n}{k}=n\binom{n-1}{k-1}<br />
<br /> \binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+3\binom{n}{3}+...+(-1)<sup>n-1</sup>\binom{n}{n}<br />

I was able to do this via differentiation, but not using this substitution. Any hints would be great.

Well, the n is the same all the way through, that leaves a sum which should be easy. :wink:
 
what do you mean?
 
chaotixmonjuish said:
what do you mean?

Show us what you get when you substitute. :smile:
 
Well this is something I sort of worked out:

<br /> \binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+...+(-1)^k\binom{n}{n}<br />
Using the binomial theorem
<br /> \sum_{k=0}^{n}\binom{n}{k}x^{k}=(1+x)^{n}<br />
Are you saying I can just throw in the identity without doing anything or would I have to multiply across with a k so that
<br /> \sum_{k=0}^{n}k\binom{n}{k}x^{k-1}=k(1+x)^{n}<br />
so that
<br /> \sum_{k=1}^{n-1}n\binom{n-1}{k-1}=k(x)^{k-1}<br />
<br /> \sum_{l=0}^{n}n\binom{n-1}{l}x^{k-1}<br />

I'm ignoring 1 because 1 to any power is 1
 
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Why are you making this so complicated? :redface:

Start with <br /> \sum_{l=0}^{n-1}n\binom{n-1}{l}<br /> …

what (in ordinary language) is (i'm leaving out the n :wink:) …

<br /> \sum_{l=0}^{n-1}\binom{n-1}{l}<br /> ? :smile:
 
Well k-1=n, if that is what you are hinting at.
 
No … what (in ordinary language) is \binom{n-1}{l}<br /> (or n-1Cl) …

it's the number of … ? :smile:
 
Its sort of like saying its the number of ways you can select a leader (n), then how many different ways you can't form a team for leader \binom{n-1}{l}
 
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chaotixmonjuish said:
Its sort of like saying its the number of ways you can select a leader (n), then how many different ways you can't form a team for leader \binom{n-1}{l}

Yes …

n-1Cl is the number of ways of choosing l things from n-1 …

so (to get the ∑) what is the number of ways of choosing 1 thing or 2 things or … n-1 things from n-1? :smile:
 
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so would the final answer be

<br /> n\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \binom{n-1}{l}x^{l-1}<br />
 
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chaotixmonjuish said:
so would the final answer be

<br /> n\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \binom{n-1}{l}x^{l-1}<br />

i said you were making this complicated :rolleyes:

wherever did x come from? :confused:

(and you never answered:
what is the number of ways of choosing 1 thing or 2 things or … n-1 things from n-1?
)
 

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