Prove Cyclic Factor Group of a Cyclic Group is Cyclic

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The discussion revolves around the proof that the factor group of a cyclic group is cyclic. Participants explore the definitions and properties of cyclic groups and their subgroups, particularly focusing on the quotient group formed by a cyclic group and its subgroup.

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  • One participant suggests that since G is cyclic, the quotient group G/H can be represented as , but questions whether this implies G/H is cyclic.
  • Another participant clarifies that G/H is defined as the set of cosets {Hg: g in G} and discusses the group operation involved.
  • A different participant provides a proof structure, stating that every quotient group of a cyclic group takes a specific form and discusses the implications of subgroup orders.
  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the equality of G/H and allows for the conclusion that G/H is cyclic, suggesting that proving is a subgroup would suffice.
  • Another participant mentions the distinctness of cosets in G/H and attempts to clarify their understanding of the relationship between G/H and .
  • One participant reflects on their own understanding and the need for further insight from others, while also suggesting practical examples to illustrate the concepts discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and confidence regarding the proof. There is no consensus on the conclusion that G/H is cyclic, as some participants question the implications of the definitions and properties discussed.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the topic, including the need to consider subgroup properties and the implications of Lagrange's theorem on the distinctness of cosets. There are references to specific examples and theorems that may not be fully resolved within the discussion.

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Prove that the factor group of a cyclic group is cyclic.

Now I understand introductory AA very well. But I am just having a brain fart on this problem lol.

Let G= <g> and H be a subgroup of G. Then it is true, from basically definition that G/H= <gH>.
Where the equality means they are the same set but <gH> is going to repeat some cosets most of the time. Can i conclude G/H is cyclic?

If not then I would probably say take the duplicates out, and show that <gH> (without duplicates) is a subgroup of <gH> which i could then conclude G/H is cyclic.
 
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Hi, Fisicks:

don't mean to be pedantic, but , to make sure I understand you: you mean the
quotient group of a cyclic group G by _any_ subgroup is cyclic, right?

If so, as you said, G/H is defined to be the set {Hg: g in G} (you can select

any representative of Hg if Hg'=Hg; one can show G/H is well-defined in this

sense.) , and group operation given by: (Hg)(Hg')=Hgg' ; where gg' is the multiplication

in G.

Now, G is cyclic, so there is a g in G so that {g,g<sup>2</sup>,...,g<sup>n</sup>,..

} =G (G may be cyclic and finite too; if so, the argument is similar )

Now, consider Hg , where g is the generator of G, and consider the product:

Hg<sub>i</sub>Hg<sub>j</sub>:=Hg<sub>i</sub>g<sub>j</sub>

Can you see how to generate {Hg: g in G} this way?
 
Just another proof, just in case:

i) Every infinite cyclic group is isomorphic to Z, the integers. Every finite cyclic group
is isomorphic to {nZ: n an integer}. Every quotient group of a cyclic group is then
of the form:

Z/nZ:~Z/n ={1,...,n-1,n} , which is generated by 1

Proof of above assumption on form of subgroups:

Every cyclic group is countably-infinite, i.e., can be indexed by the pos. integers.

But the pos. integers are well-ordered, so that every subgroup H--as a set-- has

a least element h. By group properties, if h is in H, then so is h+h=2h, ..., so is

h+h+...+h=nh,... . So every subgroup of G is of the form H={nh: h in H}.

An adjustment can be made for finite cyclic groups, using the fact that the

order of a subgroup divides the order of the group.


And, re the cosets, there is overlap of cosets in G/H, if |H|>1 , by Lagrange's

thm: |G/H|=|G|/|H|<|G| if |H|>1 , and |G/H|=|G| only iff |H|=1
All subgroups of a cyclic


My algebra is not the strongest, so better to listen to mathwonk
 
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look at the image of the generator.
 
Mathwonk, you are saying that I cannot conclude that G/H is cyclic from the fact alone that G/H and <gH> have the same elements?

So if I prove that the image of <gH> is a subgroup of <gH>, I then know that G/H is cyclic because G/H is precisely the image of <gH> and any subgroup of a cyclic group is cyclic.
 
I just confused myself even more. I proved that G/H= H U gH U... U g^(k-1)H. Each is distinct because each power of g is less than k. So G/H=<gH>.

Someone clear my head up please. I know this is trivial so I want to move past this lol.
 
I did not mean to imply i believed my answer was incorrect, only that mathwonk
is likely to be more insightful, while at my rudimentary level, I need to appeal
to the big machinery.

Anyway, a couple of comments:

1) Do a small quotient like S<sub>3</sub>/A<sub>3</sub> , to see why
you don't get all different cosets.


2)G/H={Hg: g in G} is a group * , with multiplication defined by:

(Hg)(Hg'):=(Hgg')

If g is a generator for G, then, for any w in G, there is an integer n with

g<sup>n</sup> =w

Now, can you see what you get by doing the product :

(Hg)(Hg)...(Hg) (n times)

What if you wanted to obtain the coset Hk , for some k in G. What would

you do; how would you use the generator g to do so?


* When H is normal in G, which is true in our case
 

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