Prove H is a Subgroup of G: ab=ba

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The discussion revolves around proving that a set H, defined in the context of a group G where the elements commute (ab=ba), is a subgroup. The original poster introduces the set H as consisting of elements that satisfy a specific condition involving a and b.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to show that the inverse of elements in H is also in H, with specific algebraic manipulations being suggested. There is an exploration of how to utilize the properties of the group and the defined set H.

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Some participants have offered algebraic insights and techniques to approach the problem, while others express appreciation for these suggestions. The discussion appears to be productive, with various methods being explored without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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There is an emphasis on the need to demonstrate the subgroup properties, particularly concerning the identity and inverses, within the constraints of the group's commutative nature.

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If ab=ba in a group G, let H={g[itex]\in[/itex]G|agb=bga}.

Show that H is a subgroup.I have the identity because ab=ba implies that aeb=bea[itex]\in[/itex]H.

I can't seem to figure out how to get the inverses or closer. Any suggestions or slight nudges in the right direction?
 
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Let x, y ∈ H. You want to show that xy-1 ∈ H, so consider a(xy-1)b.

a(xy-1)b = ax(bb-1)y-1(a-1a)b = (axb)(b-1y-1a-1)(ab)

Use what you know about a, b, x, and y to show that that product is equal to b(xy-1)a.
 
Thanks that was clever... didnt think of adding A's and B's in the middle and inversing.
 
It's a pretty common technique to create combinations you know how to deal with. Good to have in your toolkit.
 

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