Prove Lattice Has Finite Nonempty Subsets w/ GLB & LUB

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The discussion revolves around proving that every finite nonempty subset of a lattice has both a least upper bound (lub) and a greatest lower bound (glb). The context is set within lattice theory, focusing on the properties of subsets and their bounds.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are exploring a proof by induction, starting with the base case of two elements and attempting to extend it to n+1 elements. Questions arise regarding how to handle additional subsets and justify the existence of lub and glb for these subsets.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided initial steps and reasoning for the induction proof, while others are questioning how to justify claims regarding the lub and glb of unions of sets. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the induction hypothesis and how it applies to larger subsets.

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Participants note the need to prove the statement for any lattice, whether finite or infinite, and emphasize the importance of handling the case for subsets of size one as a starting point for induction.

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Homework Statement



"Prove that in a lattice (L, <=) every finite nonempty subset S has a least upper bound and a greatest lower bound"

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I'm going to try and prove this by induction.
For the initial case, show its true for n=2.
So take a lattice with 2 elts: call the elements a and b.

So then the subsets would be {a,b}, {a}, and {b} (since we don't have to deal with the nonempty). All three of these have a glb and a lub.

now assume for n. now we want to show it's true for n + 1:

this is the part I am unsure about. i know its simple, but-

if it's true for n, then we just want to go once step further for n+1.
for n there are 2^n total subsets, but we are concerned about the nonempty set, so we have 2^n - 1 subsets. and all of these subsets have a glb and a lub (by assumption.)

now when we try to show this for n+1:
we have a total of 2^(n + 1) total subsets, then subtract of one for the nonempty: 2^(n + 1) - 1. the majority of these subsets overlap with the ones above in the assumption case of n, so for all of these we get for free that they have a lub and a glb. :bugeye: now, I am not putting my finger on how many more subsets i have here in this case, and how to show that these indeed have a lub and a glb.

any suggestions?
 
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this is what I've got going right now:

[the previous initial step found above]

Assume it holds for all subsets of n elements, and let A = {X1, X2, ..., Xn+1}. By the induction hypothesis, {X1, X2, ..., Xn} has a lub. Call this lub L1. Since {X1, X2, ..., Xn} has a lub, then L1 union Xn+1 has a lub.

Now, I want to claim that L1 union Xn+1 is the lub of A..but how can I justify that??

And for glb, it would be the dual of the above.

?
 
You need to prove it for any lattice, finite or infinite. Do induction on |S|, the size of the subset of L. Clearly, if |S| = 1, then S has a lub and a glb. Suppose that for every subset of L with size n, it has a glb and an lub. Now let S be a subset of L with |S| = n+1. Finish the proof.
 

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