Prove n^3 less than or equal to 3^n for n=1,2,

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The problem involves proving the inequality \( n^3 \leq 3^n \) for natural numbers \( n = 1, 2, \ldots \). The discussion centers around mathematical induction and the application of the binomial theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss checking the base case and the inductive step, with some questioning the validity of certain assumptions. There is mention of expanding \( (k+1)^3 \) and comparing it to \( 3k^3 \), as well as exploring the implications of the inductive hypothesis.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to the proof. Some express uncertainty about the implications of their findings, while others suggest that proving a counterexample could invalidate the hypothesis. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential difficulties in proving the inequality, particularly for larger values of \( k \). The discussion includes references to specific values and conditions under which the inequality may hold or fail.

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Homework Statement


Prove that [tex]n^3 \leq 3^n[/tex] for [itex]n=1,2,...[/itex]

Homework Equations


Binomial theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


Check for P(1)= [tex]1^3 \leq 3^1[/tex]. So the base case holds, now assume P(k) is true and show that it implies P(k+1).

By assumption [tex]3\cdot k^3 \leq 3\cdot 3^n[/tex]. And this is where I get stuck because obviously [tex](k+1)^3 \nleq 3k^3[/tex]
 
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If that last part is obvious, you should be able to prove it. It'll be tough...

Consider instead expanding (k+1) and finding an upper bound for that based on k3
 
Well it's not "obvious" but plotting [tex]3k^3 - (k+1)^3[/tex] shows negative values for positive k. On the other hand, I'm not sure what you mean by finding an upper bound.

Expanding gives [tex]k^3+3k^2 +3k+1[/tex]. Comparing that with [tex]k^3 + k^3 +k^3[/tex]. I could try a term by term comparison of [tex]3\cdot 3^k=3^k + 3^k +3 ^k[/tex]. The first terms of each side are ok because that's by assumption. But [tex]3k^2 > 3^k[/tex] so hmmm.
 
naele said:
Well it's not "obvious" but plotting [tex]3k^3 - (k+1)^3[/tex] shows negative values for positive k. On the other hand, I'm not sure what you mean by finding an upper bound.

If you can find a natural number k that breaks the inequality, you're done. You've proven the hypothesis to be false.

[tex]3k^2 > 3^k[/tex] so hmmm.

By inductive hypothesis
[tex]3k^2<k^3<3^k[/tex] as long as [itex]k \geq 3[/itex]

So your base case is in fact going to be a couple of values of k, but that's not a real problem
 
naele said:

Homework Statement


Prove that [tex]n^3 \leq 3^n[/tex] for [itex]n=1,2,...[/itex]


Homework Equations


Binomial theorem


The Attempt at a Solution


Check for P(1)= [tex]1^3 \leq 3^1[/tex]. So the base case holds, now assume P(k) is true and show that it implies P(k+1).

By assumption [tex]3\cdot k^3 \leq 3\cdot 3^n[/tex]. And this is where I get stuck because obviously [tex](k+1)^3 \nleq 3k^3[/tex]
Do you realize that you are saying that the very statement you are trying to prove is "obviously" false? [itex]3k^3= k^{k+1}[/itex] so if [itex](k+1)^3\nleq 3k^3= 3^{k+1}[/itex] then [itex]n^2< n^3[/itex] is not true for all n.
 

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