Prove Open & Closed Sets in C[0,1] | Functional Analysis

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The discussion revolves around proving that certain sets of functions in the space C[0,1] with the supremum metric are open and closed. The specific functions and sets under consideration are defined in relation to the function f(x) = x² + 2.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in proving that the set A, defined as the set of functions g in C[0,1] such that the distance d(g,f) is greater than 3, is open.
  • Another participant explains that to prove A is open, one must show that for any function g in A, there exists a ball around g that is entirely contained in A.
  • It is noted that the supremum metric exists for continuous functions on a closed interval, which is relevant for the proof.
  • A specific construction of an open ball around g is proposed, with the distance defined in terms of the triangle inequality.
  • To show that the set B, defined as the set of functions g in C[0,1] such that 1 ≤ d(g,f) ≤ 3, is closed, it is suggested that one can consider the complement of the intersection of two open sets.
  • Corrections are made to a mathematical expression regarding the distance, emphasizing the need for clarity in the proof steps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to proving the openness of set A and the closedness of set B, but there are corrections and clarifications regarding specific mathematical expressions. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants refine their understanding and correctness of the proofs.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of some mathematical steps and the assumptions made regarding the properties of the supremum metric and the functions involved.

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Hello
Would anyone out there be able to help me with a problem I'm having? I have to prove that a function is open and that another is closed. The question is:

Consider C [0,1] with the sup metric. Let f:[0,1]→R be the function given by f(x)=x²+2
Let A={g Є C[0,1]: d(g,f) > 3}. Prove that A is an open set
Let B={g Є C[0,1]: 1 ≤ d(g,f) ≤ 3}. Prove that B is a closed set

I'm new to all of this and just don't know what to do even with the f(x)=x²+2 part so if anyone out there can shed some light, I'd be really grateful!

Thanks
 
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A is the all functions that belong to C[0,1] and whose distance to f is at least 3. That's where f(x) should come in.
 
Ok, to prove that A is open you need to show that given a arbitrary g in A, you can find a ball around g contained in A.

First note that we are considering continuous functions from a closed interval, so the supremum always exist.

Now let g be some function in A, that is

3 < d(g,f) = sup|g-f| = b

b is simply the real number we already have noted exist, that is different from infinity.

now define a = b - 3, note this is greater than zero. Then define the open ball around g

B_a(g) = {h in C[0,1] | d(g,h) < a}

we now show that this is contained in A. So for h in B_a(g), because d is a metric it satisfy the triangle inequality, we have

d(h,f) => |d(g,h) - d(g,f)| > |a - b| = |b-3-b| = 3

so B_a(g) is contained in A, this proves that A is open.

To show that B is closed, first in the same way for A show that

C = {g in C[0,1] | d(g,f) < 1}

is open.

then A intersect C is open, because the intersection of two open sets are open. We also know that the complement of an open set is closed, so by noting that

B = Compliment of (A intersect C)

you are done. It have been some time before i did this kind of thing so someone might need to check that I done it right. As you see you don't need to know an explicit formula for f(x), I guees the only reason you got that was to get a fealing of what the sup norm looks like.
 
a little correction to the line

d(h,f) => |d(g,h) - d(g,f)| > |a - b| = |b-3-b| = 3

write

d(h,f) => |d(g,h) - d(g,f)| > |a - b| = |-3| = 3

instead
 
mrandersdk said:
a little correction to the line

d(h,f) => |d(g,h) - d(g,f)| > |a - b| = |b-3-b| = 3

write

d(h,f) => |d(g,h) - d(g,f)| > |a - b| = |-3| = 3

instead

Thank you so so much for your prompt reply. You've really helped me out and I really appreciate your time.

Thanks again
 
no problem, as long as you learn something from an not just copy it.
 

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