Prove Real Roots of $x^3+ax+b=0$ When $a<0$

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The discussion revolves around the cubic equation $x^3 + ax + b = 0$ and the condition for it to have three distinct real roots, specifically exploring the implications of $a < 0$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and calculus-based approaches to demonstrate this relationship.

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  • Some participants assert that the equation has three distinct real roots and propose to show that this necessitates $a < 0$.
  • One participant presents a calculus-based solution, stating that if $a > 0$, the derivative $f'(x) = 3x^2 + a$ cannot be zero, indicating no turning points and thus only one real solution.
  • Another participant agrees with the calculus approach, reiterating that if $a = 0$, the equation reduces to $x^3 + b = 0$, which has only one real root, leading to the conclusion that $a < 0$ is required for three real roots.
  • Participants express appreciation for each other's approaches, indicating a collaborative exploration of the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of $a < 0$ for the equation to have three distinct real roots, but the discussion includes multiple approaches and insights without a definitive consensus on a singular method or proof.

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The discussion does not resolve potential limitations related to assumptions about the nature of roots or the behavior of the function under different values of $a$ and $b$.

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The equation $x^3+ax+b=0$ has three distinct real roots. Show that $a<0$.
 
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My solution:

We see that if $a=0$, then if $b=0$ the roots are not distinct. By Descartes' rule of signs, if $b>0$, there will only be one negative real root and if $b<0$ there will only be one positive real root. So, $a\ne0$.

Next, let's consider if $b=0$, then we have:

$$x\left(x^2+a \right)=0$$

We see that we must have $a<0$ in order to have 3 distinct real roots.

Next, let's consider if $b>0$.

By Descartes' rule of signs, and given that there are 3 distinct real roots, there will be 2 positive roots if there are 2 sign changes between successive coefficients. That is if $a<0$. Mutiplying the odd-powered terms by -1, we then have one sign change and thus there will be 1 negative root.

And finally, let's consider if $b<0$.

Descartes' rule of signs tells us that if $a$ is positive then there can only be at most 1 positive root. If $a$ is negative then there will be 1 positive root and 2 negative roots.

Thus, in all cases concerning $b$ we find that $a<0$.
 
MarkFL said:
My solution:

We see that if $a=0$, then if $b=0$ the roots are not distinct. By Descartes' rule of signs, if $b>0$, there will only be one negative real root and if $b<0$ there will only be one positive real root. So, $a\ne0$.

Next, let's consider if $b=0$, then we have:

$$x\left(x^2+a \right)=0$$

We see that we must have $a<0$ in order to have 3 distinct real roots.

Next, let's consider if $b>0$.

By Descartes' rule of signs, and given that there are 3 distinct real roots, there will be 2 positive roots if there are 2 sign changes between successive coefficients. That is if $a<0$. Mutiplying the odd-powered terms by -1, we then have one sign change and thus there will be 1 negative root.

And finally, let's consider if $b<0$.

Descartes' rule of signs tells us that if $a$ is positive then there can only be at most 1 positive root. If $a$ is negative then there will be 1 positive root and 2 negative roots.

Thus, in all cases concerning $b$ we find that $a<0$.

Well done, MarkFL! I solved this problem using an entirely different approach, and hence you have just given me another insight about how to tackle it using the way you did... for this I want to say thank you!:)
 
anemone said:
The equation $x^3+ax+b=0$ has three distinct real roots. Show that $a<0$.
My solution uses calculus.
[sp]If $f(x) = x^3+ax+b$ then $f'(x) = 3x^2 + a$.

If $a>0$ then $f'(x)$ can never be zero, so $f$ has no turning points and can therefore cross the real axis only once. Thus $f(x) = 0$ has only one real solution.

If $a=0$ then the equation $f(x) = 0$ becomes $x^3 + b = 0$, whose only real root is the cube root of $-b$.

The only remaining possibility is that $a<0$, so that condition is necessary for the equation to have three real roots.[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
My solution uses calculus.
[sp]If $f(x) = x^3+ax+b$ then $f'(x) = 3x^2 + a$.

If $a>0$ then $f'(x)$ can never be zero, so $f$ has no turning points and can therefore cross the real axis only once. Thus $f(x) = 0$ has only one real solution.

If $a=0$ then the equation $f(x) = 0$ becomes $x^3 + b = 0$, whose only real root is the cube root of $-b$.

The only remaining possibility is that $a<0$, so that condition is necessary for the equation to have three real roots.[/sp]

Thanks, Opalg for participating!:) Your calculus approach seems so nice and neat!:o

My solution:
Let $m,\,n,\,k$ be the three real distinct roots for $y=x^3+ax+b$.

Then Vieta's Formula tells us:

$m+n+k=0$, $mn+nk+mk=a$

Notice that

$(m+n+k)^2=m^2+n^2+k^2+2(mn+nk+mk)$---(1)

Hence, by substituting the above two into (1) we get

$0=m^2+n^2+k^2+2a$

This equation holds true iff $a<0$, and we're done.
 

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