Prove Series Product: 1+3^(-2^n) = 3/2(1-3^(-2^n+1))

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The discussion revolves around proving a product series involving terms of the form \(1 + 3^{-2^n}\). Participants are exploring the relationship between the product and its proposed equivalent expression, which involves a finite series and the manipulation of terms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants suggest using logarithms to convert the product into a summation series for easier handling. Others propose using mathematical induction as a potential method for proof. There are also discussions about writing out the first few terms of the product to identify patterns or sums.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on potential approaches such as induction and term expansion. There is a mix of confusion and curiosity regarding the notation used for products versus sums, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify understanding.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the course context, with references to different educational backgrounds in calculus and algebra. There is also mention of the notation for product series, highlighting potential misunderstandings in the mathematical representation.

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Homework Statement



Prove that
[tex]\prod_{n=0}^n 1+3^{-2^{n}}= \frac{3}{2}(1-3^{-2^{n+1}})[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am an idiot in math and I couldn't figure out where to start. I thought about using log to convert it into a summation series (I find sums easier to handle than products), but I couldn't progress. I just need a direction, a place to start from. I can hopefully take over from there.

Thanks
 
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What course is this for? Just out of curiosity, I have no idea how to answer the question, and am just wondering what course this is for. I wasn't introduced to basic series stuff tell Calculus II.
 
GreenPrint said:
What course is this for? Just out of curiosity, I have no idea how to answer the question, and am just wondering what course this is for. I wasn't introduced to basic series stuff tell Calculus II.

I don't know about the US equivalent, but I have this in Algebra, under "Sequences, Series and Progressions".
 
just use the induction it is quite easy
 
With infinite series or products, when in doubt, try writing out the first few terms. Set n = 1 , write the two terms in the product and multiply them out; what do you get? Now try it with n = 2 and multiply the third term times your result from n = 1. What sort of sum are you getting? Do you know an expression for the sum of a finite set of such terms?

NeroKid said:
just use the induction it is quite easy

It's true that induction would suffice to prove the relationship, which is all that is asked here. However, it would be nice to be able to establish the relationship, which in fact also turns out to be easy if you start multiplying out the terms of the product and looking at what that gives you...
 
NeroKid said:
just use the induction it is quite easy

It really was extremely easy using induction. Thanks for the idea. I should have thought about using induction earlier.

dynamicsolo said:
With infinite series or products, when in doubt, try writing out the first few terms. Set n = 1 , write the two terms in the product and multiply them out; what do you get? Now try it with n = 2 and multiply the third term times your result from n = 1. What sort of sum are you getting? Do you know an expression for the sum of a finite set of such terms?

It's true that induction would suffice to prove the relationship, which is all that is asked here. However, it would be nice to be able to establish the relationship, which in fact also turns out to be easy if you start multiplying out the terms of the product and looking at what that gives you...


I always do that if I encounter series; to see if I get some pattern. But I couldn't figure it out in this question.

Thanks for the replies people.
 
What's the name of the giant N character and which n is placed on top of and n=0 is placed on the bottom of? Is this just a different way to write sigma, and is the same way of indicating a series from n=0 to n?
 
GreenPrint said:
What's the name of the giant N character and which n is placed on top of and n=0 is placed on the bottom of? Is this just a different way to write sigma, and is the same way of indicating a series from n=0 to n?

Pretty much yes but a series of products instead of sums.

It's the symbol for a Number Product a giant pi symbol in fact, but then that is trivial.

Product of n=0...n ...

ETA: for clarity.

oops.
 
My bad that's for product series, sigma is for summation series... hmm interesting
 
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GreenPrint said:
What's the name of the giant N character and which n is placed on top of and n=0 is placed on the bottom of? Is this just a different way to write sigma, and is the same way of indicating a series from n=0 to n?

It's a product symbol but it's not quite written correctly. It should be:

[tex]\prod_{k=0}^n \left( 1+3^{-2^{k}}\right) = \frac{3}{2}(1-3^{-2^{n+1}})[/tex]
 
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mishrashubham said:

Homework Statement



Prove that
[tex]\prod_{n=0}^n 1+3^{-2^{n}}= \frac{3}{2}(1-3^{-2^{n+1}})[/tex]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I am an idiot in math and I couldn't figure out where to start. I thought about using log to convert it into a summation series (I find sums easier to handle than products), but I couldn't progress. I just need a direction, a place to start from. I can hopefully take over from there.

Thanks

I get the answer [tex]1 + 3^{-2^n}[/tex] because your expression equals [tex](\prod_{n=0}^n 1) + 3^{-2^n}.[/tex] However, if you meant [tex]\prod_{k=0}^n (1 + 3^{-2^k}),[/tex] then that would give a different answer.

RGV
 
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uart said:
It's a product symbol but it's not quite written correctly. It should be:

[tex]\prod_{k=0}^n \left( 1+3^{-2^{k}}\right) = \frac{3}{2}(1-3^{-2^{n+1}})[/tex]

My apologies.



One more thing. How would I go about solving it had I not known the right hand side?
 
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mishrashubham said:
How would I go about solving it had I not known the right hand side?

If you write the first two terms of the product, you find

[tex]( 1 + 3^{-2^{0}} ) ( 1 + 3^{-2^{1}} ) = ( 1 + 3^{-1} ) ( 1 + 3^{-2} ) = ( 1 + 3^{-1} + 3^{-2} + 3^{-3} ) .[/tex]

The first three terms yield

[tex]( 1 + 3^{-1} + 3^{-2} + 3^{-3} ) ( 1 + 3^{-2^{2}} ) = ( 1 + 3^{-1} + 3^{-2} + 3^{-3} ) ( 1 + 3^{-4} ) = ( 1 + 3^{-1} + 3^{-2} + 3^{-3} + 3^{-4} + 3^{-5} + 3^{-6} + 3^{-7}) .[/tex]

What sort of finite series is this? How many terms are there is each successive multiplication? Is there a formula for the sum of the general finite series?
 

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