Prove that A Real Root Exists in [-1, 1]

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of a real root for the polynomial $$f(x)=5tx^4+sx^3+3rx^2+qx+p$$ within the interval [-1, 1], given the condition that $$r+t=-p$$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of different approaches to the problem.

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  • One participant suggests using the Intermediate Value Theorem by evaluating $$f(1)$$ and $$f(-1)$$ and checking if $$f(1) \cdot f(-1) < 0$$ to establish the existence of a root.
  • Another participant rewrites the polynomial and proposes a different polynomial $$p(x)=tx^5+(s/4)x^4+rx^3+(q/2)x^2+px-(s/4+q/2)$$, noting that $$p(1)=p(-1)=0$$ and inferring that $$p$$ has an extremum in $$(-1,1)$$, leading to the conclusion that $$p'(x)$$ must have a root in that interval.
  • A later reply acknowledges the elegance of the second approach while indicating that there are other straightforward methods to tackle the problem, inviting further contributions from other members.
  • Another participant hints at using an integration method as an alternative approach to solve the problem.

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Participants present multiple competing views and methods to approach the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved as no consensus is reached on a single method or proof.

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Some methods proposed rely on specific evaluations and conditions that may not cover all cases, such as the implications of setting $$s=q=0$$ or the assumptions made in the derivation of the polynomial $$p(x)$$.

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Given $$f(x)=5tx^4+sx^3+3rx^2+qx+p$$ for $f(x)\in R$. If $r+t=-p$, prove that there is a real root for $f(x)=0$ in $[-1,1]$.
 
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Some ideas:

We rewrite the polynomial as
$$f(x)=5tx^4+sx^3+3rx^2+qx-r-t=0,$$
where we are setting it equal to zero. We evaluate $f(1)$ and $f(-1)$:
\begin{align*}
f(1)&=5t+s+3r+q-r-t=4t+2r+s+q\\
f(-1)&=5t-s+3r-q-r-t=4t+2r-s-q.
\end{align*}
Idea: if $f(1)\cdot f(-1)<0$, then by the Intermediate Value Theorem, we would have shown there is a root in $[-1,1]$. Now
$$f(1)\cdot f(-1)=(4t+2r)^{2}-(s+q)^{2}.$$
Not seeing where to go with this. There's nothing stopping $s=q=0$, with $4t+2r\not=0$, in which case I have not proved what I want to prove.
 
anemone said:
Given $$f(x)=5tx^4+sx^3+3rx^2+qx+p$$ for $f(x)\in R$. If $r+t=-p$, prove that there is a real root for $f(x)=0$ in $[-1,1]$.

Consider the polynomial $$p(x)=tx^5+(s/4)x^4+rx^3+(q/2)x^2+px-(s/4+q/2)$$.

Then $$p(1)=p(-1)=0$$ and so $$p$$ has an extremum in $$(-1,1)$$, so $$p'(x)$$ has a root in $$(-1,1)$$ ...

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Thanks to both, Ackbach and zzephod for participating...

zzephod said:
Consider the polynomial $$p(x)=tx^5+(s/4)x^4+rx^3+(q/2)x^2+px-(s/4+q/2)$$.

Then $$p(1)=p(-1)=0$$ and so $$p$$ has an extremum in $$[-1,1]$$, so $$p'(x)$$ has a root in $$[-1,1]$$ ...

.

WoW! What an elegant way to approach this problem! Well done, zzephod!(Clapping)

And there is another quite straightforward and beautiful way to tackle it as well...therefore I'll wait for the inputs from other members for now...(Sun)
 
Another method proposed by other to solve this challenge problem is by using the integration method:

Hint:
$$\int_{-1}^1 p(x) dx=0$$
 

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