Prove that elements of x^i 0<i<n-1 are distinct

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The discussion revolves around proving that the elements \(1, x, x^2, \dots, x^{n-1}\) are distinct when \(x\) is an element of finite order \(n\) in a group \(G\). Participants explore the equivalence of different statements regarding the order of \(x\) and the implications of equality between powers of \(x\).

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  • Some participants propose that proving \(x^k = x^m\) if and only if \(k = m\) is equivalent to proving the distinctness of the elements \(1, x, x^2, \dots, x^{n-1}\).
  • It is noted that the implication \(x^i = x^j \Rightarrow i = j\) can be shown by assuming \(x^i = x^j\) for \(i \neq j\) and deriving a contradiction based on the minimality of \(n\).
  • One participant suggests that if \(x^{i-j} = 1\), then \(n\) divides \(i-j\), leading to \(i \equiv j \pmod{n}\), and questions the formal justification for concluding \(i = j\) under the condition \(1 \leq i, j < n\).
  • Another participant affirms that the reasoning is valid and offers an alternative approach to demonstrate the contradiction by assuming \(i > j\) and showing it leads to a violation of the bounds on \(i\) and \(j\).

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Participants generally agree on the equivalence of the statements and the approach to proving distinctness, but there is some uncertainty regarding the formal justification of the implication \(i \equiv j \pmod{n}\) leading to \(i = j\).

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Some participants express a lack of familiarity with number theory, which may affect their confidence in the formal aspects of the proof.

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Here is the statement: If x is an element of finite order ##n## in ##G##, prove that the elements ##1,x,x^2, \dots , x^{n-1}## are all distinct.

So I started by reinterpreting the question into something more tangible. Is it true that this problem is equivalent to the following? Suppose that ##|x| = n## and that ##0 \le k,m \le n-1##. Prove that ##x^k = x^m ## if and only if ##k = m##.
 
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Yes, this is the same. You want to prove:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##x^i \neq x^j##.
and substituted this by:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##(x^i = x^j \Leftrightarrow i=j)##
which is the same. As ##"\Leftarrow"## is trivial, the second statement reduces to:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##(x^i = x^j \Rightarrow i=j)##
which is the same as the first statement.

You can either prove the last statement, or assume ##x^i=x^j## for ##i \neq j## and deduce a contradiction to the minimality of ##n##.
 
fresh_42 said:
Yes, this is the same. You want to prove:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##x^i \neq x^j##.
and substituted this by:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##(x^i = x^j \Leftrightarrow i=j)##
which is the same. As ##"\Leftarrow"## is trivial, the second statement reduces to:
If ##\operatorname{ord}(x)=n ## then ##(x^i = x^j \Rightarrow i=j)##
which is the same as the first statement.

You can either prove the last statement, or assume ##x^i=x^j## for ##i \neq j## and deduce a contradiction to the minimality of ##n##.
So suppose that ##1 \le i,j < n## and that ##x^i = x^j##. Then ##x^{i-j}=1##. So ##n~ |~ (i-j)## which means that ##i \equiv j \pmod n##. But since ##1 \le i,j < n## we have that ##i=j##. Does this work?

My only problem is the statement that ##i \equiv j \pmod n## and ##1 \le i,j < n## implies ##i=j##. This implication seems kind of obvious to me, but would there be a more formal way of doing it? I haven't taken much number theory so I'm not sure.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
So suppose that ##1 \le i,j < n## and that ##x^i = x^j##. Then ##x^{i-j}=1##. So ##n~ |~ (i-j)## which means that ##i \equiv j \pmod n##. But since ##1 \le i,j < n## we have that ##i=j##. Does this work?

My only problem is the statement that ##i \equiv j \pmod n## and ##1 \le i,j < n## implies ##i=j##. This implication seems kind of obvious to me, but would there be a more formal way of doing it? I haven't taken much number theory so I'm not sure.
No, that's fine. You could do it per pedes (by foot) if you like: Assume ## i > j## then ##0 \neq i-j = qn \geq n ~\Longrightarrow ~i \geq j+n \geq 0+n = n## contradicting ##i<n##. However, this isn't necessary. Such situations are what calculations with modulo are made for.
 
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