Prove that function tends to 0 everywhere in this interval

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving that a function defined on a finite set of numbers in the interval [0,1] tends to 0 as x approaches any point a in that interval. The function is defined piecewise based on the sets A_n, which are disjoint for different n.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the disjoint nature of the sets A_n on the definition of the function f. Concerns are raised about the validity of the proof and the necessity of using the assumption regarding the sets.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the proof, suggesting the need to adapt the limit definition for different cases. Others are actively questioning the original poster's reasoning and seeking clarification on specific assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need for a rigorous application of the epsilon-delta definition of limits, particularly in relation to the endpoints of the interval. The original poster has expressed a desire for critical feedback on their proof attempt.

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Homework Statement


From Spivak: Suppose that ##A_{n}## is, for each natural number ##n##, some finite set of numbers in ##[0,1]##, and that ##A_n## and ##A_m## have no members in common if ##m\neq n##. Define f as follows:
##f(x) = \frac{1}{n}##, if ##x \in A_n##
##f(x) = 0##, if ##x \notin A_n## for all ##n##​
Prove that ##\lim_{x\to a} f(x) = 0## for all ##a## in ##[0,1]##.

Homework Equations


Epsilon-Delta definition of a limit

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm trying to follow micromass' suggestion, so I would be delighted if someone could assist me. My main concern is that I did not really make use of the assumption that ##A_n## and ##A_m## have no members in common if ##m\neq n##.
micromass said:
So ask somebody to rip apart your proof completely.

Proof: We first prove the limit tends towards ##0## for all ##a## in the open interval ##(0,1)##. So let ##\epsilon >0## be arbitrary, and let ##a## be an arbirtrary element of ##(0,1)##. We can find some natural number ##n_{\epsilon}## such that for all ##m\in \mathbb{N}## for which ##m\geq n_{\epsilon}##, ##\frac{1}{m} < \epsilon##, so there is only a finite number of natural numbers ##1,...,n_{\epsilon}-1## whose reciprocals are greater than ##\epsilon##, and therefore finitely many ##y\in [0,1]## for which ##|f(y)| > \epsilon##. Hence, we will be able to find a neighbourhood of ##a## which does not contain any of the ##y##'s, and hence there exists a ##\delta## such that for all ##x##, ##0<|x-a|<\delta## implies ##|f(x)|<\epsilon##. For the endpoint ##0##and ##1##, the right and left hand limits both tend to 0 respectively, and since ##f(x) = 0## for all ##x \notin [0,1]##, we can conclude that ##\lim_{x\to 0}f(x) = \lim_{x\to 1}f(x) = 0##.
 
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lordianed said:
My main concern is that I did not really make use of the assumption that ##A_n## and ##A_m## have no members in common if ##m\neq n##.
That assumption is (implicitly) used in the definition of the function ##f##. If ##A_n## and ##A_m## have members in common, ##f## is not well-defined.
 
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Samy_A said:
If AnA_n and AmA_m have members in common, ff is not well-defined.

Oh right, thanks Samy, I did not catch that :oldbiggrin:
 
Hi lordianed ! This exercise is very much like the previous one you put on PF a few days ago.

Assume that your function converges to a limit ##\ell## as ##x\rightarrow a##. Assume that ## a \in ]0,1[## and adapt the definition for ##a\in\{0,1\}##.

So you have,

##\forall \epsilon > 0,\ \exists\delta >0\ \forall x\in [0,1] \ ( x\in[ a - \delta , a + \delta ] \Rightarrow |f(x) - l | \le \epsilon) ##

You need to show that in ##[ a - \delta , a + \delta ]##, there is an element ##x_0## that belongs to none of the ##A_n##. In which case ## |\ell| = |f(x_0) - \ell | \le \epsilon##. That proves that if the limit exists, it has to be zero.
 
geoffrey159 said:
Hi lordianed ! This exercise is very much like the previous one you put on PF a few days ago.

Assume that your function converges to a limit ##\ell## as ##x\rightarrow a##. Assume that ## a \in ]0,1[## and adapt the definition for ##a\in\{0,1\}##.

So you have,

##\forall \epsilon > 0,\ \exists\delta >0\ \forall x\in [0,1] \ ( x\in[ a - \delta , a + \delta ] \Rightarrow |f(x) - l | \le \epsilon) ##

You need to show that in ##[ a - \delta , a + \delta ]##, there is an element ##x_0## that belongs to none of the ##A_n##. In which case ## |\ell| = |f(x_0) - \ell | \le \epsilon##. That proves that if the limit exists, it has to be zero.
Thanks Geoffrey, I'll try that method too. However I asked to have my proof ripped apart so to say, I already have tried proving it and would love to see people point out any flaws in my argument in the original post.
 

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