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The problem involves proving a relationship between the spans of two subsets, s1 and s2, of a vector space V, specifically that if s1 is a subset of s2, then span(s1) is a subset of span(s2). The discussion also touches on implications when span(s1) equals V.

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  • Participants explore the definitions of span and the implications of subsets in vector spaces. There is discussion on whether the span consists of finite linear combinations and how this affects the proof. Some participants question the clarity and correctness of the reasoning presented in the attempts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various interpretations and clarifications regarding the definitions and properties of spans. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach the proof, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the attempts made so far.

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There is a noted uncertainty regarding the treatment of spans in relation to finite versus infinite subsets, as well as the definitions used in the original problem statement. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings in the formulation of their arguments.

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Prove that if s1 and s2 are subsets of a vector space V such that S1 is a subset of S2,then span(S1) is a subset of span(s2). In particular, if s1 is a subset of s2 and span(s1)=V, deduce that span(s2)=V.

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I came up with this, but I doubt its right. Particularly, it only applies to a finite subset. I don't know how I'd modify it to fit any subset.

Let s1,s2 be subsets of V such that s1 is a subset of s2. In cases1=s2, it is clear that span(s1)=span(s2). In case s1 does not equal s2, let x1...xn be the elements of s1. Then a1x1+a2x2+...anxn for all scalars A are in span(s1). We can write x1...xn...xk as the elements of s2. Then by definition a1x1+...anxn+...akxk are in span(s2). So span(s1) is a subset of span(s2).
 
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There is a theorem (or perhaps in your text it is even used as a definition) that the span of a set (possibly infinite) consists of finite linear combinations. So if you take any vector v from span(S1) then you can write it as a1x1+a2x2+...anxn for some scalars ai and finitely many vectors xi in S1. Now you only have to show that v is then also in span(S2). That's almost trivial though, if you note that span(S2) is a vector space by definition of span.
 


I just checked my text, and for some reason it doesn't mention that the span is a finite set of linear combinations. But now I know.

Let s1,s2 be subsets of V such that s1 is a subset of s2. In case s1=s2, it is clear that span(s1)=span(s2). In case s1 does not equal s2, let z=a1x1+a2x2+...anxn be the set of linear combinations of the elements of s1. By definition, z is an element of span(s1). Since the span of any set is a subspace, span(s2) is closed under addition and scalar multiplication. Since x1...xn are all elements of span(s2) for some a1...an, by the definition of a subspace, x=a1x1+a2x2+...anxn is also in span(s2).

Does this work?
 
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First of all, I didn't say that the set is a finite set of linear combinations. I said it is a set of finite linear combinations, which is something completely different.

Also, z = a1x1 + ... + anxn is not a set, and it needn't contain all the elements of s1. In any case, if you want to prove that span(S1) is a subset of span(S2), you will need to make clear that you are taking any element z from span(S1). You can use that if you pick such a z, you can write it in the form you gave; rather than: if you write something in the form you gave, it is in span(S1).

Finally, a sentence like
"Since x1...xn are all elements of span(s2) for some a1...an"
is weird: why are x1 ... xn elements of span(S2) and what does a1...an have to do with them? I don't see a1...an in x1...xn?
 

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