How Can I Use Axioms to Prove x^2 ≥ 0?

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The discussion focuses on proving the assertion that \(x^2 \geq 0\) for all field elements \(x\) using field axioms. Participants emphasize the importance of the order axioms, specifically that if \(x > 0\) and \(y > 0\), then \(xy > 0\), and the trichotomy principle to analyze cases where \(x < 0\), \(x = 0\), and \(x > 0\). The conversation highlights misconceptions about the distributive property and the validity of certain algebraic steps, ultimately guiding towards a structured proof using the axioms of ordered fields.

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Homework Statement
I need to prove using the axioms ive added that X^2>=0 (x^2>0 or x^2=0). Im unsure what im doing ive attached what ive done so far
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(A1) If x∈F and y∈F, then x+y∈F.
(A2) (commutativity of addition) x+y = y+x for all x,y∈F.
(A3) (associativity of addition) (x+y)+z = x+(y+z) for all x,y,z∈F.
(A4) There exists an element 0∈F such that 0+x = x for all x∈F.
(A5) For every element x∈F there exists an element−x∈F such that x+(−x) = 0.
(M1) If x∈F and y∈F, then xy∈F.
(M2) (commutativity of multiplication) xy = yx for all x,y∈F.
(M3) (associativity of multiplication) (xy)z = x(yz) for all x,y,z∈F.
(M4) There exists an element 1∈F (and 16= 0) such that 1x = x for all x∈F.
(D) (distributive law) x(y+z) = xy+xz for all x,y,z∈F.
(x)(x)>0 (D)
(x+(-x))(x+(-x)) >0 (A4)
x^2 + 2(-x)(x) + (-x)^2 >0 (D)
x^2 - 2x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
-x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
 
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None of the field axioms you listed say anything about the total order ##<##. I suspect you should also have the following axioms to describe an ordered field.

For all ##x,y,z\in F##,
1) If ##x>y##, then ##x+z>y+z##
2) If ##x>0## and ##y>0##, then ##xy>0##

Can you prove the assertion using these axioms? One approach is to use trichotomy and separately deal with the cases ##x<0## and ##x=0## and ##x>0##.
 
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sorry yes I do have the order axioms, I have only just started learning this so I have no idea what the assertion is sorry
 
By "the assertion" I just mean the problem statement that ##x^2\geq 0## for all field elements ##x##. Try dividing into the cases ##x>0## and ##x=0## and ##x<0## like I suggested.
 
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How would I go about proving x=0 and then referencing into x^2 = 0, would it be (x)(x) = 0?
 
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Homework Statement:: I need to prove using the axioms I've added that X^2>=0 (x^2>0 or x^2=0). I am unsure what I am doing I've attached what I've done so far

(x)(x)>0 (D)
This isn't the distributive property. It says that a*(b + c) = a*b + a*c.
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(x+(-x))(x+(-x)) >0 (A4)
No, this isn't true. By A5, x + (-x) = 0, so (x + (-x))(x + (-x)) can't be positive.
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x^2 + 2(-x)(x) + (-x)^2 >0 (D)
Yes, this is distribution, but it takes a couple of steps to get here. Since the previous step is not true, that puts this step into question.
dreter98 said:
x^2 - 2x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
-x^2 + (-x)^2 >0
Again, not true. -x^2 + (-x)^2 = 0 -- it's not positive.

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How would I go about proving x=0 and then referencing into x^2 = 0, would it be (x)(x) = 0?
Your goal isn't to prove that x = 0 -- it's to prove that for any arbitrary x in whatever field you're working with, that ##x^2 > 0## or ##x^2 = 0##. You might start by looking at three separate cases: x < 0, x = 0, or x > 0, and using the axioms that @Infrared mentioned.
 
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