Prove the definitions of Linear Transformations

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The discussion revolves around proving the equivalence of definitions related to linear transformations, specifically focusing on statements 2.1.1, 2.1.2, and 2.1.3. Participants are exploring the properties and implications of these definitions within the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants are attempting to show that 2.1.1 is equivalent to 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 by analyzing the implications of each statement. There are discussions about specific substitutions, such as setting a=1 and b=1, to derive relationships between the definitions. Some participants express uncertainty about how to articulate their proofs and seek clarification on the implications of the definitions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance to each other. Some have successfully shown how certain definitions imply others, while others are still grappling with how to combine their findings into a cohesive proof. There is a collaborative effort to clarify the relationships between the statements.

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Participants note potential typos in the definitions and express concerns about their understanding of proofs. There is an acknowledgment of reliance on external resources to aid comprehension of the material.

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Homework Statement


Show that 2.1.1 is equivalent to the totality of 2.1.2 and 2.1.3.

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aTx + bTy = aT(x) + bT(y) = T(ax) + T(by) = T(ax + by) ?
 
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It's really pretty easy. Just think clearly about what you have prove. But there is a really nasty typo in (2.1.3). It should read T(ax)=a*T(x). Is that what's confusing you?
 
I can 'get' that 2.1.1 follows from 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 and visa versa, but I'm not sure how to say it as a proof. I've never been good with proofs.
 
jinksys said:
I can 'get' that 2.1.1 follows from 2.1.2 and 2.1.3 and visa versa, but I'm not sure how to say it as a proof. I've never been good with proofs.

You aren't bothered by (2.1.3) saying T(ax)=a*x?? You should be. But if you aren't good at proofs, maybe you aren't. Change (2.1.3) to T(ax)=a*T(x). The first stage of the proof is show that (2.1.1) implies (2.1.2) and (2.1.3). That's pretty easy. I'll give you a hint for the first part. Put a=1 and b=1 into (2.1.1). What do you conclude?
 
Dick said:
You aren't bothered by (2.1.3) saying T(ax)=a*x?? You should be. But if you aren't good at proofs, maybe you aren't. Change (2.1.3) to T(ax)=a*T(x). The first stage of the proof is show that (2.1.1) implies (2.1.2) and (2.1.3). That's pretty easy. I'll give you a hint for the first part. Put a=1 and b=1 into (2.1.1). What do you conclude?

I meant to say that I understood that T(ax)=aT(x), but only because I have other linear algebra books to help me get through this class.

If a=b=1,

T(ax +by) = T(1x + 1y) = T(1x) + T(1y) = 1T(x) + 1T(y) = T(x) + T(y)

Edit:

Now do I have to do a=a, b=0 to get:

T(ax + by) = T(ax) =aT(x) ?
 
jinksys said:
I meant to say that I understood that T(ax)=aT(x), but only because I have other linear algebra books to help me get through this class.

If a=b=1,

T(ax +by) = T(1x + 1y) = T(1x) + T(1y) = 1T(x) + 1T(y) = T(x) + T(y)

Ok, that's good. So that shows (2.1.1) implies (2.1.2). Can you show it also implies (2.1.3)? The final step of the proof is showing (2.1.2) AND (2.1.3) imply (2.1.1).
 
I'm not sure if you saw my edit or not, so I'll just give it its own post.

To show 2.1.3, do I let a=a and b=0?

T(ax + by) where a=a, b=0:

T(ax + 0y) = T(ax) = aT(x).

Conversely with a=0, b=b:

T(0x + by) = T(by) = bT(y)
 
jinksys said:
I'm not sure if you saw my edit or not, so I'll just give it its own post.

To show 2.1.3, do I let a=a and b=0?

T(ax + by) where a=a, b=0:

T(ax + 0y) = T(ax) = aT(x).

Conversely with a=0, b=b:

T(0x + by) = T(by) = bT(y)

Sure, that shows T(ax)=a*T(x). So (2.1.1) implies (2.1.3). Now you just have to show (2.1.2) AND (2.1.3) imply (2.1.1). Try it. You are doing fine so far.
 
I'm stumped, I can see how you would prove that 2.1.1 implies 2.1.2 and that 2.1.1 implies 2.1.3, but I'm not sure how to combine them.
 
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Umm. You want to show T(ax+by)=aT(x)+bT(y), right? (2.1.2) says T of the sum of two vectors is T(first vector)+T(second vector), yes? Are ax and by vectors you could apply (2.1.2) to?
 
  • #11
If you let s = ax and t = by,

then T(s + t) = T(s) + T(t) = T(ax) + T(by) = aTx + bTy,

So, T(ax + by) = aTx + bTy ?

Any closer?
 
  • #12
jinksys said:
If you let s = ax and t = by,

then T(s + t) = T(s) + T(t) = T(ax) + T(by) = aTx + bTy,

So, T(ax + by) = aTx + bTy ?

Any closer?

Way closer. In fact, you finished it. Just say at what point you used (2.1.3).
 
  • #13
So letting s=ax and t=by was the right thing to do?
Are there other ways to say 2.1.1 stems from 2.1.2 and 2.1.3?
 
  • #14
jinksys said:
So letting s=ax and t=by was the right thing to do?
Are there other ways to say 2.1.1 stems from 2.1.2 and 2.1.3?

You just did it. T(s+t)=T(s)+T(t)=T(ax)+T(by) by (2.1.2). Now (2.1.3) says T(ax)=aT(x) and T(by)=b*T(y). Doesn't that mean you are done??
 

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