Prove (u+v)dot(u-v)=0 iff |u|=|v|

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The problem involves proving that the expression (u+v)·(u-v) equals zero if and only if the magnitudes of vectors u and v are equal, |u| = |v|. The discussion centers around vector operations and properties of the dot product.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the expression using the definition of the dot product and explore the implications of the equality. There are questions about how to demonstrate the "if and only if" aspect of the proof.

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Some participants have made progress in showing one direction of the proof but express uncertainty about completing the biconditional proof. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the components of the vectors and their magnitudes.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the types of guidance they can provide to one another. There is also a focus on ensuring clarity in the definitions of vector operations.

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Homework Statement


Show that (u+v)dot(u-v)=0 iff |u| = |v|


Homework Equations


if u= x1, y1
and if v= x2, y2
then u dot v= x1x2 + y1y2

The Attempt at a Solution


((x1+x2),(y1+y2)) dot ((x1-x2),(y1-y2))=
(x1^2-x2^2)+(y1^2-y2^2)=
if |u|=|v| then sqr(x1^2+y1^2)=sqr(x2^2+y2^2)
x1^2+y1^2=x2^2+y2^2
Now back to problem
x1^2+y1^2-x2^2-y2^2=0
let x1^2+y1^2=a
since x1^2+y1^2=x2^2+y2^2, x2^2+y2^2=a
a-a=0

i've shown the if part but how do I show the iff part?
 
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f25274 said:

Homework Statement


Show that (u+v)dot(u-v)=0 iff |u| = |v|


Homework Equations


if u= x1, y1
and if v= x2, y2
then u dot v= x1x2 + y1y2

The Attempt at a Solution


((x1+x2),(y1+y2)) dot ((x1-x2),(y1-y2))=
(x1^2-x2^2)+(y1^2-y2^2)=
if |u|=|v| then sqr(x1^2+y1^2)=sqr(x2^2+y2^2)
x1^2+y1^2=x2^2+y2^2
Now back to problem
x1^2+y1^2-x2^2-y2^2=0
let x1^2+y1^2=a
since x1^2+y1^2=x2^2+y2^2, x2^2+y2^2=a
a-a=0

i've shown the if part but how do I show the iff part?
Assume that (u + v)\cdot(u - v) = 0.

Use the fact that (a + b)\cdot(c + d) = a \cdot c + a \cdot d + b \cdot c + b \cdot d.
 
Mark44 said:
Assume that (u + v)\cdot(u - v) = 0.

Use the fact that (a + b)\cdot(c + d) = a \cdot c + a \cdot d + b \cdot c + b \cdot d.

ohhhhhhhh
u dot u= u^2 right?

(u+v) dot (u-v) = u2 + u dot -v + u dot v -v2
-x1x2-y1y2+x1x2+y1y2=0
(u+v) dot (u-v) = u^2-v^2
:o okay now what do I do...
 
f25274 said:
ohhhhhhhh
u dot u= u^2 right?
No. u \cdot u = |u|2
f25274 said:
(u+v) dot (u-v) = u2 + u dot -v + u dot v -v2
-x1x2-y1y2+x1x2+y1y2=0
(u+v) dot (u-v) = u^2-v^2
:o okay now what do I do...
 
oh :I
ok I got it now thanks!
 

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