Prove ||w + z|| <= ||w|| + ||z|| for complex vectors

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The problem involves proving the triangle inequality for complex vectors in C^n, specifically that ||w + z|| <= ||w|| + ||z|| using the standard inner product for complex vectors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the norms and inner products, with attempts to manipulate the expressions for ||w + z|| and ||w|| + ||z||. Some participants express confusion regarding the properties of these expressions in the context of complex vectors.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants attempting various methods to prove the inequality. Some hints and suggestions have been provided, but no consensus or complete solution has emerged yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are questioning the validity of certain assumptions regarding the properties of norms and inner products in complex vector spaces, particularly in relation to the triangle inequality.

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Homework Statement



Let z, w be complex vectors of C^n.

Prove ||w + z|| <= ||w|| + ||z||

(using the standard inner product for C^n)
(i.e. <w,z> = w*z', where * is the dot product and ' denotes the complex conjugate)


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I found that

||w + z||
= sqrt( w*w' + z*z' + z*w' + w*z')
= sqrt( w*w' + z*z' + <w,z> + <w,z>' )

and

||w|| + ||z||
= sqrt(w*w' + z*z')

So by showing that <w,z> + <w,z>' <= 0 then I guess that will finish the proof but I am unsure of how to do this.

Any help?
 
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s_j_sawyer said:

Homework Statement



Let z, w be complex vectors of C^n.

Prove ||w + z|| <= ||w|| + ||z||

(using the standard inner product for C^n)
(i.e. <w,z> = w*z', where * is the dot product and ' denotes the complex conjugate)


The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I found that

||w + z||
= sqrt( w*w' + z*z' + z*w' + w*z')
= sqrt( w*w' + z*z' + <w,z> + <w,z>' )

and

||w|| + ||z||
= sqrt(w*w' + z*z')
The equation above isn't true. ||w|| = sqrt(w*w') and ||z|| = sqrt(z*z'), but the two square roots don't add to sqrt(w*w' + z*z'). This is like saying that the lengths of two sides of a right triangle add up to the length of the hypotenuse.
s_j_sawyer said:
So by showing that <w,z> + <w,z>' <= 0 then I guess that will finish the proof but I am unsure of how to do this.

Any help?
 
Mark44 said:
The equation above isn't true. ||w|| = sqrt(w*w') and ||z|| = sqrt(z*z'), but the two square roots don't add to sqrt(w*w' + z*z'). This is like saying that the lengths of two sides of a right triangle add up to the length of the hypotenuse.

Oooohhh deeaarr how embarrassing. Thank you for that insightful information. I should be able to get it now.
 
Sorry to double post but I didn't think simply editing would bump this up.

Alright so I played around with this some more but still could not get it to work.

I tried to prove this using the method of squaring both sides for the regular 'scalar triangle inequality' proof like so:

||w + z||^2 = (sqrt<w + z,w + z>)^2
= <w + z, w + z>
= <w,w> + <w,z> + <z,w> + <z,z>
= ||w||^2 + <w,z> + <w,z>' + ||z||^2


and so if I can show that

<w,z> + <w,z>' <= 2*||w||*||z||


then I would have

||w + z||^2 <= (||w|| + ||z||)^2

but I have been unable to do so. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
 
have you tried assuming a complex form, say w = aj + b and expanding the inner products?
 
\|w + z\|^2 is not equal to \langle w + z, w + z \rangle unless you're in a real vector space. But since these are complex, then

<br /> \|w + z\|^2 = \langle w + z, \overline{w + z} \rangle<br />

Some hints:
If w is a complex number (or vector, or whatever), then w = a + bi, where a and b are real numbers (or vectors), and

<br /> w + \overline{w} = a + bi + a - bi = 2a = 2\operatorname{Re}(w).<br />

Also, \operatorname{Re}(w) \le \|w\|

These should hopefully get you on the right track.
 

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