Providing a proof or counter example.

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The discussion revolves around proving or providing a counterexample for the inequality involving the functions \(x^2 + 1\), \((x + 1)^2\), and \(2(x^2 + 1)\) for all \(x > 0\). Participants explore various proof techniques and the relationships between these functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using graphical methods to assess the truth of the statement and explore algebraic manipulations to derive inequalities. There are inquiries about the equality of the functions at specific values of \(x\) and suggestions for proving individual components of the inequality.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided algebraic rearrangements and insights into the relationships between the functions. There is ongoing exploration of the proof methods learned in class, and while some participants express uncertainty about their logic, others offer supportive feedback on their approaches.

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Participants mention the proof methods they have learned, including Direct Proof, Counterexample, Contrapositive, Contradiction, and proof by cases. There is a focus on ensuring that assumptions and algebraic steps are correctly applied throughout the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Prove or give a counterexample: for all x > 0 we have x2+1< (x+1)2\leq 2(x2+1)

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I used my calculator to do the graph of all 3 functions and saw that the statement was always true (at least for x>0). So I couldn't see another proof method that would work so I just went ahead with the direct proof.

Kept rewriting the functions and narrowing down until I got to this below.

-(1/x) < 2 - (1/x) \leq x

My intuition says that if x>0 that when x gets smaller and smaller, the first two terms get more and more negative. As x gets bigger and bigger, the term on the right becomes larger while the other only get slightly larger. However, I didn't see that as a proper "proof."

If it is any help, my class has learned these proof methods so far: Direct Proof, Counterexample, Contrapositive, Contradiction, and proof by cases.

Edit: Found something, I managed to do some algebra and rearranged it to the form of -2x<0<(x-1)(x-1) and pretend that second inequality includes "or equal to." There is a square on the right which will always be positive or 0 and in the problem it says x>0 so that first term will always be less than 0. Sweet.

If something is wrong in my logic please tell me.
 
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For what values of x are any pair of the functions equal?
 
SammyS said:
For what values of x are any pair of the functions equal?

Try x=1
 
Did you do your algebra wrong?
First one is: x^2+1
Second one is: x^2 + 2x + 1
Third term is: 2x^2 + 2

Subtract x^2 from every one you get:

1 less than 2x+1 less than or equal to x^2+2

Subtract 1 from every one you get:

0 less than 2x less than or equal to x^2 + 1

Now I would prove all of them separately:
0 less than 2x
then
0 less than x^2 + 1
then
2x less than or equal to x^2 + 1

OR

0 < 2x
2x less than or equal to x^2+1

finally use transitive property to show 0
 
From where you are, minus 2x. You have (-2x), then 0, then x^2 -2x + 1. Which factors into (x-1)(x-1) or (x-1)^2
 
Dougggggg said:
From where you are, minus 2x. You have (-2x), then 0, then x^2 -2x + 1. Which factors into (x-1)(x-1) or (x-1)^2

I like that. It makes it even easier because any number squared is greater than or equal to zero. And -2x is always less than zero for x > 0. Both should be pretty easy to prove.
 
Yea, that is what I ended up doing, it was turned in yesterday at like 9 am.
 

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