Proving "-1 = 1" Wrong: Ideas?

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The discussion revolves around the paradoxical assertion that -1 equals 1, exploring the mathematical reasoning behind this claim and examining the properties of square roots and exponents. Participants engage in a debate about the implications of squaring and taking square roots, with a focus on the nuances of these operations in the context of complex numbers and real numbers.

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  • One participant presents a series of equalities leading to the conclusion that -1 equals 1, prompting a request for counterarguments.
  • Another participant argues that the square root of -1 can yield both +1 and -1, suggesting a misunderstanding in the original claim.
  • Some participants assert that the square root of 1 is always 1, emphasizing that while 1 has two square roots, the principal square root is defined as positive.
  • There is a discussion about the loss of information when squaring numbers, with one participant explaining that squaring a number can lead to ambiguity in determining the original value.
  • Another participant points out that the expression x = x^(2)(1/2) is problematic due to the potential loss of information when squaring.
  • One participant clarifies that the square root symbol represents only the positive root, which is a common misconception in discussions about square roots.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of square roots and the validity of the original claim. There is no consensus on the resolution of the paradox, with multiple competing perspectives remaining in the discussion.

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Participants highlight the importance of distinguishing between principal square roots and the general concept of square roots, as well as the implications of squaring and taking roots in the context of real and complex numbers. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical assertions made.

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Hey there!
These is this falsidical paradox that I can't seem to prove wrong.

## -1 = (-1)^1 = (-1)^\frac{1}{1}= (-1)^\frac{2}{2} = (-1)^{\frac{2}{1} \cdot \frac{1}{2}} = (-1)^{2 \cdot \frac{1}{2}} = ((-1)^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} = (-1)^{2 \cdot \frac{1}{2}} = ((-1)^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} = (1)^{\frac{1}{2}} = 1 ##

Any ideas?
 
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You have (1)1/2, and it can be +1 or -1. The mistake you do is that you sould consider ((-1)2)1/2=|-1| = 1
 
Gil said:
You have (1)1/2, and it can be +1 or -1.

No it can't. It's always 1.
 
Someone will say it eventually. [tex]i^2=-1[/tex]
[tex](i^2)^(1/2)=+-(-1)^(1/2)[/tex], the text is there but it does not look right.
[tex]√(i^2)=+-√(-1)=i[/tex]
 
micromass said:
No it can't. It's always 1.
The square root of 1 is ±√1 = ±1, isn't it?
 
Gil said:
The square root of 1 is ±√1 = ±1, isn't it?

1 has two square roots: -1 and 1. But ##1^{1/2} = 1##.
 
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micromass said:
1 has two square roots: -1 and 1. But ##1^{1/2} = 1##.

A number raised to the power of 1/2 is the exact same thing as a square root. So [itex](-1)^{1/2} = \pm 1[/itex]. Information is lost upon squaring. That's where I'd say the issue comes from.

Namely, the OP starts with a number [itex]x[/itex], and takes [tex]x = x^{(2)(1/2)} = (x^2)^{1/2}[/tex]

but information is lost when we square, because [tex]x = a \implies x^2=a^2[/tex]

but [tex]x^2 = a^2 \nRightarrow x = a[/tex]
Though someone else may see farther than me regarding this problem.
 
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Gil said:
The square root of 1 is ±√1 = ±1, isn't it?
micromass is correct. ##\sqrt{1} = +1##.
 
Rectifier said:
## (-1)^{2 \cdot \frac{1}{2}} = ((-1)^2)^{\frac{1}{2}} ##

It isn't in general true that [itex]x^{ab} = (x^a)^b[/itex].
 
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axmls said:
A number raised to the power of 1/2 is the exact same thing as a square root. So [itex](-1)^{1/2} = \pm 1[/itex].
No. The sqaure root of -1 is the imaginary unit i.
axmls said:
Information is lost upon squaring.
That's irrelvant to this question. We're taking the square root, not squaring something.
axmls said:
That's where I'd say the issue comes from.

Namely, the OP starts with a number [itex]x[/itex], and takes [tex]x = x^{(2)(1/2)} = (x^2)^{1/2}[/tex]

but information is lost when we square, because [tex]x = a \implies x^2=a^2[/tex]

but [tex]x^2 = a^2 \nRightarrow x = a[/tex]
Though someone else may see farther than me regarding this problem.
 
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There is a misconception about square roots that shows up here quite often. An expression such as ##\sqrt{4} = 2##, not ##\pm 2##. While it's true that 4 has two square roots, one positive and one negative, the symbol ##\sqrt{4}## represents the positive square root.

More generally, for any positive real number a, the expression ##\sqrt{a}## represents the positive number b such that b2 = a.
 
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