Proving 3n > n^3 for n > 3 using Induction

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The discussion focuses on proving the inequality \(3^n > n^3\) for \(n \geq 4\) using mathematical induction. Participants outline the base case \(A_4\) and assume the statement holds for \(k \geq 4\). They suggest manipulating terms to compare \(3^{k+1}\) with \((k+1)^3\) and emphasize the need to show that \(k^3 > 3k^2\) and \(k^3 > 3k + 1\) for \(k > 3\). The conversation highlights the importance of careful term expansion and comparison in the induction step.

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3n>n3 where n >3

I know I have to use proof by induction to solve this.
assume for f(4)is true
for f(n+1)=3n+1>3n3

However after that I don't have a clue of how to getting it into (n+1)3
Any hints will be greatly apperciated
 
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Let

<br /> A_n <br />

be the statement

<br /> 3^n &gt; n^3<br />

You want to show A_n is true for n \ge 4.

It shouldn't be hard to show A_4 is true. Assume it is true for k \ge 4.

Now

<br /> 3^{3+1} = 3 \cdot 3 ^k &gt; 3 \cdot k^3 = k^3 + k^3 + k^3<br />

Now play with the terms on the right, making the new expressions ever smaller, to build up to the expansion of (k+1)^3.

(Hint for a start: You know by hypothesis k \ge 4 &gt; 3, so
<br /> k^3 = k \cdot k^2 &gt; 3k^2<br />
which is the second term in the expansion of (k+1)^3)
 
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statdad said:
Let

<br /> A_n <br />

be the statement

<br /> 3^n &gt; n^3<br />

You want to show A_n is true for n \ge 4.

It shouldn't be hard to show A_4 is true. Assume it is true for k \ge 4.

Now

<br /> 3^{3+1} = 3 \cdot 3 ^k &gt; 3 \cdot k^3 = k^3 + k^3 + k^3<br />

Now play with the terms on the right, making the new expressions ever smaller, to build up to the expansion of (k+1)^3.

(Hint for a start: You know by hypothesis k \ge 4 &gt; 3, so
<br /> k^3 = k \cdot k^2 &gt; 3k^2<br />
which is the second term in the expansion of (k+1)^3)
Sorry for the late reply
This is th best I could get at:

3n>n3
For n+1=
3n+1>3n

given n>3 , I found the following:

  • n3>3n2
  • n2>3n
  • n-2>1
with the best intentions I did the following:

Added all them up and got
n3>3n2+3n+1-n2-n+2--(1)
3n+1-2n3>n3--(2)

from 1 and 2
3n+1-2n3>3n2+3n+1-n2-n+2

3n+1+n2+n-2-n3>(n+1)3

But after that I am stuck it would be great some one could help. thnx
 
anyone?
 
Statdad showed that you could get to k^3+ k^3+ k^3 and you want to compare that to (k+1)^3= k^3+ 3k^2+ 3k+ 1. Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k^2 when k> 3? Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k+ 1 when k> 3?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Statdad showed that you could get to k^3+ k^3+ k^3 and you want to compare that to (k+1)^3= k^3+ 3k^2+ 3k+ 1. Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k^2 when k> 3? Can you show that k^3&gt; 3k+ 1 when k> 3?

nope I can't .:cry:
 

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