Proving Closure of A in Topological Space X

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of closure, interior, and boundary in a topological space. The original poster presents a set of statements regarding a subset A of a topological space X, asking for proofs related to the disjoint nature of interior and boundary, conditions for a set to be open, and relationships involving closure and interior.

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  • Participants explore the disjoint nature of interior and boundary, with attempts to prove that closure equals the union of interior and boundary. There are discussions on showing specific properties of open sets and their boundaries, as well as questioning the implications of certain assumptions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various approaches and insights. Some have suggested methods for proving the disjoint nature of interior and boundary, while others are considering implications of definitions and properties of closure and interior. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the definitions of closure, interior, and boundary, as well as the relationships between these concepts. There are references to the properties of open and closed sets, and some participants express uncertainty about specific proofs or counterexamples needed to clarify their understanding.

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Homework Statement


Let X be a topological space. If A is a subset of X, the the boundary of A is closure(A) intersect closure(X-A).
a. prove that interior(A) and boundary(A) are disjoint and that closure(A)=interior(A) union boundary(A)
b. prove that U is open iff Boundary(U)=closure(U)-U
c. If U is a nonempty open set in X, is it true that U=Interior(closure(U))? show it or give a counter example.

Homework Equations


-the complement of a closed set is open
- the closure of a set is defined as the intersection of all closed set containing A
- the interior of a set is the union of all open sets contained in A

The Attempt at a Solution


a. To prove that Int(A) and Boundary(A) are disjoint, assume the opposite. Let x be in both Int(A) and Bound(A). Then, if x is in Int(A), since Int(A) is open, there exists an open ngbd U of x such that U is contained in Int(A). Now, x in Bound(A) means that x is both in closure(A) and in closure(X-A). If x is in the closure of X-A, then every open ngbd of x intersects X-A. But, U is contained in A, so this is a contradiction. Thus Int(A) and Bound(A) are disjoint. (Am I missing anything here??)
Now, I'm not sure how to prove this equality, although I understand it intuitively. I thought about doing it like this: Int(A) union Bound(A)=Int(A) union (clos(A) intersect clos(X-A))= (Int(A) union clos(A)) intersect (Int(A) unions clos(X-A))=clos(A) intersect (Int(A) union (clos(X-A)). Now, I just need to show that Int(A) union clos(X-A) =X, but I'm not sure how to do that.
b. Assume Bound(U)=clos(U)-U, and U is not open. Then, U(complement) is not closed. Then, Bound(U)=clos(U) intersect U(complement) is not necessarily closed... it seems like this is getting a bit hazy..
Assume U is open. Then, clos(U)-U=clos(U)-Int(U)= clos(U) union (Int(U) complement)... again I need to show that Int(U) complement = clos(X-U)
c. pretty sure this is true, don't quite know how to prove it
Help please!
 
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a) equality - how about trying to show any point in closure(A) is either in the interior or the boundary and then vice versa, helped by the fact int & bound are disjoint
 
for b) this is equivalent to showing U open iff U = interior(U)
 
for C) use closure(U)=interior(U) union boundary(U)
 
I'm not sure how C) helps me... so if closure(U)=Interior(U) union Bound(U), then Int(closure(U))=Int(Int(U) union Bound(U))=Int(U union Bound(U)) because U is open. Not sure where to go from here... what I really need to show is that Int(U)=Int(Closure(U)).
 
So as you've said
Int(closure(U))=Int(Int(U) union Bound(U))_____________from a)

Int(Int(U) union Bound(U))=Int(U union Bound(U)) _______as U is open

let S = U union Bound(U))
now U & Bound(U) are disjoint as U is open
first consider a point in U, you should be able to show this is in interior(S) as U is open
now consider a point in Bound(U), can you show it is not in interior(S)...

if so you have shown int(S) = U, which should do it


Alternatively, though equivalenty, I think you could probably show both:
- the interior is distributive across unions (think about unions of open sets..)
- the interior of a boundary is the empty set
which would get you there as well
 
welcome to PF by the way, hope its helpful
 
thanks so much for your help with c! I'd like to try to prove that int is distributive across unions eventually, but would you help me with part (a) first? I have that Int(A) and Bdy(A) are disjoint, and now I need to prove that Closure(A)=Int(A) union Bdy(A). I know that if x is in Int(A), x is in closure(A) since Int(A)\subset Closure(A). Also, I know that if x is in Bdy(A), x is in closure(A) by the definition of boundary. Thus, I know that Int(A) union Bdy(A) \subset closure(A). I'm having trouble proving it the other way too. If x is in closure(A), maybe I can assume it is neither in Int(A) or Bdy(A) and try to get a contradiction??
 
so just to change notation a little, as its a bit tough going, so to streamline things, let talk about the set A instead of U, and let:
boundary = b(A)
interior = i(A)
closure = c(A)
interestcion = \cap
interestcion = \cup

then for a), first to show they are disjoint
b(A) = c(A) \cap c(A-X)

then consider
i(A) \cap b(A) = i(A) \cap c(A) \cap c(X-A)

now clearly
i(A) \cap c(A) = i(A)

that gives
i(A) \cap b(A) = i(A) \cap c(X-A) = i(A) \cap c(A^c)
where A^c is the complement of A
so it only remains to show that is the empty set, to show they are disjoint
 
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for the next part how about directly
i(A) \cup b(A)
i(A) \cup ( c(A) \cap c(A^c))
(i(A) \cup c(A)) \cap (i(A) \cupc(A^c))
c(A) \cap (i(A) \cup c(A^c))

now say you have a point x in X, not in the right hand side
x \notin i(A) \cup c(A^c)

can you show that is a contradiction in itself...

alternatively i think you could try and show
c(A^c) = c(X-A) = X - i(A) = i(A)^c
 
  • #11
I think I've got it all, except for the last part of part c. I'm trying to show that if S=U union bdy(U), then Int(S)=U. Remember that U is open. Obviously, I have no trouble showing that if x is in U, x is in Int(S). However, how do I show that if x is in Bdy(U), x is not in Int(S)? I've shown that if x is in Bdy(U), x is not in U. But, then saying that x is not in Int(S) right off the bat would be assuming what I'm trying to prove!
 
  • #12
so consider an any open ball B contained in c(U)
if it has an element in the boundary b(U)
then B must intersect X-U as youve said
but as the ball is open then its a contradiction as then the ball is not fully contained in c(U)
so every open set must be contined in U = i(U)
 
  • #13
to further explain, the boundary is a closed set and coincides for U and X-U by def'n

consider open set B containing a point from the boundary
the intersection of B with the boundary is not open
and in general B must conatin points from the interior of both U & X-U
 
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