Proving Cluster Point Existence in E: Insights from Advanced Calculus

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of cluster points in the context of advanced calculus, specifically focusing on proving the existence of a cluster point for a set E. Participants are exploring the implications of a specific condition regarding the intersection of E with open intervals around a point a.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on proving the backward implication of a theorem regarding cluster points.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "cluster point," prompting a discussion on its formal definition.
  • A definition is provided, stating that a point a is a cluster point of E if the intersection of E with the interval (a-r, a+r) contains infinitely many points for every r > 0.
  • One participant suggests starting with simpler proofs, proposing that if the intersection set is nonempty for each r > 0, then it must contain at least one point for every r, and encourages considering the cases for two or three points.
  • Another participant notes that if there are only finitely many points in the set (a-r, a+r) excluding a, there would be a closest point to a, leading to further implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the definitions and conditions related to cluster points. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various aspects of the proof without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the nature of the points in the set E and the implications of having finitely versus infinitely many points in the intersection sets.

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Prove that a is a cluster point of E if and only if the set (E intersection (a-r,a+r))\{a} is nonempty for each r > 0.

I have the forward implication done but the backwards implication is giving me some trouble. Could you explain it to me.
 
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What is your definition of "cluster point?"
 
A point a in the reals is called a cluster of E if (E intersection(a-r,a+r) contains infinitely many points for every r>0.
 
Well, if you're having trouble proving something complicated, try proving something simple first.

"infinitely many points" is a lot... maybe you can prove that

if the set (E intersection (a-r,a+r))\{a} is nonempty for each r > 0​

then

(E intersection(a-r,a+r) contains one point for every r>0.​

Then what about two points? Three points?
 
If there are only finitely many points in (a-r,a+r)-{a}, then there is some point closest to a, and so...
 

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