Proving Connectivity of X and Y

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The discussion revolves around proving the connectivity of two surfaces defined by the equations X={(x,y,z):x^2+y^2-z^2=1} and Y={(x,y,z):x^2+y^2-z^2=-1}. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that any two points on surface X can be connected by a curve within X, while this is not possible for surface Y.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest sketching the surfaces to aid understanding. There is a discussion about the implications of the surfaces' equations, particularly regarding the existence of solutions for different values of z. Some participants express uncertainty about how to formally prove the inability to connect points on surface Y.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches, including graphical representations and mathematical reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the characteristics of the surfaces, but there is no explicit consensus on a definitive method for proof.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a gap in the z-values for surface Y, which may affect the ability to connect points. The original poster also notes the challenge posed by the requirement to connect points with a curve rather than a line.

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Homework Statement


I need help proving that given two surfaces
any two points of surface X can be joined by a curve in X, while the same is not true of Y.


Homework Equations


X={(x,y,z):x^2+y^2-z^2=1} and Y={(x,y,z):x^2+y^2-z^2=-1}


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure where to start. If the problem had said line instead of curve, I think I could do a proof by contradiction, but as it is I don't know.
 
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A start would be to sketch graphs of the two surfaces. I suspect that once you know what they look like, it will be easier to prove what you need to prove.

If the problem had said line instead of curve, it would have been even harder to prove, since the line would also have to lie on the surface, not just go from one point to another.
 
You might notice that the equation for the surface Y has no solutions for z=0. But it does for z>1 or z<-1. Is that enough of a hint to get you started?
 
I know that there's a gap between z=-1 and z=1, but I'm not sure how to prove the general case that not all points can be connected by a curve in Y. So, I can see the solution, but I don't know how to argue it.
 
As Mark44 said, graphing them would help. For surface X, [itex]z^2= x^2+ y^2+ 1[/itex] and in cylindrical coordinates that is [itex]z^2= r^2- 1[/itex] or [itex]r^2- z^2= 1[/itex]. In the "r,z" plane, that is a hyperbola with r axis as axis of symmetry. Rotating around the z-axis, then, we have a "hyperboloid of one sheet". For the surface Y, [itex]z^2= x^2+ y^2+ 1[/itex] or [itex]z^2= r^2+ 1[/itex] which, in the 'r,z-plane" is z^2- r^2= 1, a hyperbola with the z axis as axis of symmetry. Rotating around the z-axis, we have a "hyperboloid of two sheets".

Given two points on surface X, say [itex](x_0,y_0, z_0)[/itex] and [itex](x_1,y_1,z_1)[/itex] we can draw the straight line from [itex](x_0,y_0,z_0)[/itex] to [itex](x_0,y_0,z_1)[/itex], then a straight line from that point radially inward to [itex](x_3,y_3,z_1)[/itex] where [itex]y_3/x_3= y_0/x_0[/itex] and [itex]\sqrt{x_3^2+ y_3^2}= \sqrt{x_1^2+ y_1^2}[/itex]. Finally, a circle with center at [itex](0,0,z_1)[/itex] and radius [itex]\sqrt{x_1^2+ y_1^2}[/itex] will take us to [itex](x_1,y_1,z_1)[/itex] while staying on the surface.

For surface Y, [itex]z^2= x^2+ y^2+ 1[/itex], or [itex]z= \pm\sqrt{x^2+ y^2+ 1}[/itex] which makes it clear that there is no point on the surface with [itex]-1< z< 1[/itex]. Any point [itex](x_0,y_0,z_0)[/itex] on the surface, with z> 0, can be written as [itex]z_0= \sqrt{x_0^2+ y_0^2+ 1}[/itex]. Another point on the surface is [itex](x_0, y_0, -z_0). Since no point on the surface has z between -1 and 1, it is impossible to connect those two points by a continuous curve.[/itex]
 

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