Proving density of e^(2ki) on the unit circle

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I am playing around with the set {e^(2ki)|k=intiger}. all of these numbers when raised to the pi power give one (at least as one possible value). In other words, they can all be thought of as values of 1^(1/pi). There are a countable infinity of them, and I believe that these numbers are dense on the complex unit circle, but I am having a hard time thinking of how, even to begin, to show that. any thoughts on that, or this set in general?
 
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one way would be to assume that they aren't dense, so there's an interval which has none of them, and to prove that that's impossible :wink:
 
hi tim,

thanks for the reply.

that is an idea i have considered. it is probably a good way to go, but i guess my real problem is trying to state an assumption like that in a rigorous way. the way i have presented the set above is a bit of a cheat. for all values of k where |k|>1 the argument lies outside of the interval (-pi,pi]. any attempt to restrict the domain introduces a discontinuity somewhere on the circle and i don't know how to talk about density on an interval that contains a discontinuity.

well, if nothing else, the problem has become a littler clearer to me.
 
Hint: [tex]\mathbb{Z}+2\pi \mathbb{Z}[/tex] is dense in [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex].
 
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thanks landau. if i am understanding you correctly my conjecture is equivalent to:

2Z+2piZ is dense in the reals and so it is dense in any subset of the reals, such as (-pi,pi].

now all i have to do is prove your hint is true :smile: .
 
Proving my hint is the most work. Once you've done that, use the homeomorphism
[tex]\mathbb{R}/2\pi \mathbb{Z}\to S^1[/tex]
and the fact that a surjective continuous map sends a dense set to a dense set.

To prove my hint, prove the generalized statement:
[tex]\mathbb{Z}+r\mathbb{Z}[/tex] is dense in [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex],
where r is any irrational number.
 
thanks again landau. this is exactly the kind of help i was looking for.