Proving/disproving n^2-n+11 is prime, i think i got it

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The discussion revolves around the expression n^2 - n + 11 and whether it produces prime numbers for all integers n. Participants are exploring the validity of the claim that this expression is always prime.

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  • Participants are examining the nature of the expression and questioning whether it can be factored or if counterexamples exist. Some are attempting to find specific integer values of n to test the primality of the output.

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There is an active exploration of the problem, with some participants suggesting that counterexamples can disprove the statement. Others are trying various integer values to find a non-prime result, indicating a productive line of inquiry.

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Some participants express confusion about the methods to test the expression, including whether polynomial solving is necessary or if simpler counterexamples suffice. There is also mention of the challenge in finding a non-prime output from the expression.

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Hello everyone!

I think i got this but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to do this. The question is:

For all integers n, n^2-n+11 is a prime number. Well if that was a prime number it should be true that n^2-n+11 = (r)(s) then r = 1 or s = 1. But if you equate n^2-n+11 = 1, you get a false statement. n^2-n + 12 = 0, and if u plugged say 0 in for n, u get 12 = 0, 12 is not prime...but 12 = 0, doesn't make sense. Am i on the right track or totally doing the wrong test? I'm confused if I'm suppose to set n^2-n+11 to somthing, it won't facotr unless i do a quadtratic but I'm not sure what that would even show me.

Thanks!
 
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you don't need to solve a polynomial. Giving any counterexample is enough to prove the statement false. This example is very specific, but it's easy to generalize this to n^2 - n + p, where p is any integer
 
I can't seem to find a number that will make it not prime! I've tried a bunch of random ones but they are turn out to be prime, can anyone clarify that is infact false and can be proved with a counter example?
 
Can you see a choice of n that will let you factor something out of n^2-n+11? If not, be systematic n=1, 2, 3, 4, ...
 
Thanks shmoe! i got it, n = 11, u will get 121 which is not prime! wee thanks!
 

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