Proving Distance Between a Point and a Closed Set

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The discussion revolves around proving that a point, not belonging to a closed set, has a non-zero distance from that set. The context is within metric spaces and involves understanding the definition of distance between a point and a set.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of distance and the implications of the closed set's complement being open. Questions arise about the correct formulation of the distance and the use of contradiction in the proof.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying definitions, and discussing the properties of closed sets and open balls. Some have suggested that there exists an open ball around the point that does not intersect the closed set, leading to insights about the distance between the point and elements of the set.

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There is some confusion regarding the definitions and the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the distance notation and the relationship between the point and the closed set. Participants are working through these assumptions collaboratively.

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Homework Statement



Prove that a point,a, not belonging to the closed set B has a non-zero distance from B. I.e that dist(a,B)=inf(y in a) ||a-y||>0

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I have no idea how to start this. It is only worth a few marks and I have been told it is fairly easy but I have always struggled with proofs.


The Attempt at a Solution



Would I use contradiction somehow?
 
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Are you working in a metric space? Also, you might want to check your definition of dist (a, B). It's not quite right. Anyway, here's a hint: If B is closed, then its complement is ... .
 
Sorry yes the inf part should be (y in B) not y in a. So if B is closed the complement must be open. So the point a is in an open set?
 
Look in your text! You should see something like

dist(a, B) = inf (dist(a , b) : b \in B)

And yes, a belongs to an open set that doesn't intersect B. Therefore, there exists an open ball centered at a such that ... .
 
Such that (x in X : ||x-a|| < r)?
 
So you've proven that there exists a ball with radius r around a, such that B doesn't intersect that ball.
Now, take a point b in B. Is b an element of our ball? What can you say now over the distance between a and b?
 
b does not intersect the ball and so the distance between a and b will be >= r-b ?
 
Where do you get r-b?? The distance between a and b is always greater than r...
So, whatever b we take, we got dist(a,b)>=r. What can you say now about dist(a,B)??
 
sorry I forgot we had centred the ball at a, I was thinking a was any point.

So now we can say that dist(a,B)>=r as well
 
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Seems like you've got it then!
 
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Is it that easy?! I was expecting more work than that to be honest ha.

thanks for the help guys
 

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