Proving equivalence for a collection of subsets?

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The discussion revolves around proving an equivalence involving the preimage of a union of subsets under a function f from set X to set Y. The original poster seeks guidance on how to approach the proof, specifically whether to show set inclusion in both directions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of an element being in the preimage of the union of subsets and explore the relationship between elements in X and their images in Y. There are inquiries about how to structure the proof and whether one can generalize the reasoning for multiple subsets.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and clarifying concepts. Some have offered insights into how to demonstrate the subset relationships necessary for the proof, while others are considering the implications of their reasoning.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the mapping of subsets and the preimage function, with participants reflecting on the need for generalization in their arguments. The discussion highlights the importance of considering multiple subsets in the proof without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement


Let f:X→Y where X and Y are sets. Prove that if {S\alpha}\alpha\inI is a collection of subsets of Y, then f-1(\cup\alpha\inIS\alpha)=\cup\alpha\inIf-1(S\alpha)


Would I prove this by showing set inclusion both ways? And any hints on how to begin?

Thanks.
 
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SMA_01 said:

Homework Statement


Let f:X→Y where X and Y are sets. Prove that if {S\alpha}\alpha\inI is a collection of subsets of Y, then f-1(\cup\alpha\inIS\alpha)=\cup\alpha\inIf-1(S\alpha)

Would I prove this by showing set inclusion both ways? And any hints on how to begin?

Thanks.
OK. So if \displaystyle x\in f^{-1}\left(\cup_{\alpha\in I}\,S_\alpha \right), what does that say?
 
SammyS said:
OK. So if \displaystyle x\in f^{-1}\left(\cup_{\alpha\in I}\,S_\alpha \right), what does that say?

That f(x) is in the union of the subsets?
 
SMA_01 said:
That f(x) is in the union of the subsets?
and that means ...
 
This is what I'm thinking:
If you take \cupS\alpha in Y, then that's the collection of subsets of Y, and "map" it back to X, then it would include every x in X such that f(x) is in one of the subsets, correct?
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting the other side of the equivalence correctly, but here's my attempt: If I take a particular S\alpha and I map it back to X, then that will encompass every x value such that f(x) is in that particular subset. Then, I do this for each S\alpha and take the union of all the x values in the preimage...is this a correct line of thinking?
 
SammyS said:
and that means ...

That f(x) must be in at least one particular subset...?
 
SMA_01 said:
That f(x) must be in at least one particular subset...?

How about giving that subset a name, say, S_a? Now, if f(x)\in S_a, where does x lie?
 
Michael Redei said:
How about giving that subset a name, say, S_a? Now, if f(x)\in S_a, where does x lie?

Then x would be in the preimage of S\alpha?
 
Okay, I see how this shows the left-hand side of the equivalence is a subset of the right-hand side. But when writing my proof, will I have to generalize it so that f(x) can be in more than one S\alpha?
 
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No, one is enough. If some element ##e\in S_k##, then ##e\in\bigcup_{k\in I}S_k##.
 
  • #11
Michael Redei said:
How about giving that subset a name, say, S_a? Now, if f(x)\in S_a, where does x lie?
I would be inclined to say, \displaystyle \dots\text{ "then }f(x)\in S_{\alpha_0}\,, \text{ for some }\alpha_0\in I/ .\text{"}
 
  • #12
Got it, thank you both for your help!
 

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