Proving Even Divisibility of p^2-1 for Primes p≥5 in Number Theory

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The discussion revolves around proving that for every prime \( p \ge 5 \), the expression \( p^2 - 1 \) is evenly divisible by 24. Participants explore various approaches, including modular arithmetic and factorization techniques, to establish this divisibility.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the problem of proving \( p^2 - 1 \) is divisible by 24 for primes \( p \ge 5 \).
  • Another participant notes that \( p^2 - 1 = (p - 1)(p + 1) \) and suggests examining how \( p - 1 \) and \( p + 1 \) divide by 2, 3, and 4.
  • A different participant mentions using modular arithmetic to complete their proof, indicating a connection to the earlier points made.
  • One participant elaborates on their proof using modular arithmetic, stating that for every prime \( p \ge 5 \), \( p^2 \equiv 1 \, (\text{mod } 24) \), providing an example with \( p = 11 \).
  • Another participant introduces a theorem that every odd prime squared is congruent to 1 modulo 8, providing a brief proof based on the form of odd integers.
  • A later reply suggests that the proof regarding odd primes modulo 8 directly supports their own proof concerning divisibility by 24.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and proofs, indicating that there are competing views on how to establish the divisibility of \( p^2 - 1 \) by 24. No consensus is reached on a single method or proof.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of primes and modular arithmetic are present, but they remain unverified within the discussion. The proofs rely on specific modular relationships that may require further exploration.

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number theory problem

For every prime [tex]p \ge 5[/tex], prove that [tex]p^2-1[/tex] is evenly divisible by 24(gives an integer answer).


Example: for p=5, [tex]{5^2-1 \over 24} = 1[/tex]
 
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Notice that [tex]p^2 - 1 = (p - 1)(p + 1)[/tex]. If p is prime, try to examine how p - 1 and p +1 divide by 2, 3 and 4.
 
woah, that's pretty neat, except for the 4 part you practically solved it it one setence. I'm finishing up my proof using modular arithmemtic.
 
I see, your proof would say: for every prime [tex]p \ge 5[/tex], there is a k such that k is equal to to the integer remainder after the 2*2*2*3 have been canceled out:

[tex]k={p^2-1 \over 24} = {(p+1)(p-1) \over 24} = {(\text {even no.} \ge 6 = 2*3)(\text {even no.} \ge 4=2*2) \over 2*3*2*2}[/tex]

so for example 7, would be

[tex]k={7^2-1 \over 24} = {(7+1)(7-1) \over 24} = {(8)(6) \over 2*2*2*3} = {2*2*2*2*3 \over 2*2*2*3} = 2[/tex]

My proof uses modular arithmetic, and mine simply says that for every prime [tex]p \le 5[/tex],

[tex]p^2 \equiv 1 \text{ } (\text{mod }24)[/tex]

so for example, for p=11

[tex]11^2 = 121[/tex]

[tex]121 \equiv 1 \text{ } (\text{mod }24)[/tex]

using modular arithmetic, we would read this as (121-1) is a multiple of 24, and indeed 120/24=5
 
A theorem that might be useful is that every odd prime squared is congruent to 1 Mod 8. (In fact, every odd integer.)

Proof: The integer is of the form 4n+r, where r is either 1 or 3. Then (4n+r)^2 = 16n^2+8n+r^2 = 8(M)+r^2. but r^2 = 1 or r^2 = 9.
 
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yeah, that's another proof. my proof can be directly deduced from yours.

since you said for every odd prime squared,

[tex]p^2 \equiv 1 \text{ } (\text{mod }8)[/tex]

then mine directly follows as every odd prime squared, p>3, then

[tex]p^2 \equiv 1 \text{ } (\text{mod }8*3)[/tex]
 

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