Proving Function Properties with Subsets

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of functions, specifically focusing on subset relationships involving images and inverse images of sets. The original poster presents problems related to function properties, including demonstrating equalities and subset inclusions for images of unions and intersections of subsets. Additionally, there is an inquiry into the process of proving surjectivity of functions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to outline proofs for the properties of functions involving subsets, questioning the application of membership proofs. They also express uncertainty about proving surjectivity and how to appropriately select elements from the codomain. Other participants suggest clarifying the approach to proving surjectivity by considering specific elements from the codomain.

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Participants are exploring various aspects of the problems, with some focusing on the proofs for the function properties while others seek clarification on the concept of surjectivity. There is a recognition of the need for clearer explanations, particularly regarding the selection of elements in proofs.

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The original poster notes that certain problems were not covered in lectures or the textbook, indicating a potential gap in understanding the material. There is also a mention of the need to adhere to specific definitions and conditions when discussing surjectivity.

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Alright, 2+1/2 problems here:

First:

36. Let F be a function from the set A to the set B. Let S and T be subsets of A. Show that:

a) f(S[tex]\cup[/tex]T)=f(S)[tex]\cup[/tex]f(T)
b)f(S[tex]\cap[/tex]T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex] f(S)[tex]\cap[/tex]f(T)

Note: This must be done using a membership proof. i.e. prove that f(S[tex]\cup[/tex]T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S)[tex]\cup[/tex]f(T) AND f(S)[tex]\cup[/tex]f(T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S[tex]\cup[/tex]T)


40. Let f be a function from A to B. Let S be a subset of B. We define the inverse image of S to be the subset of A whose elements are precisely all pre images of all elements of S. We denote the inverse image of S by f[tex]^{-1}[/tex](S) so f[tex]^{-1}[/tex](S)={a[tex]\in[/tex]A| f(a)[tex]\in[/tex]S}

Prove parts a and b of 36 substituting the inverse image for f, and an equality in both parts (rather than subset)

1) (not a question from the text). This was not covered in the lecture or in the book, but how do most people go about proving that a function is surjective from the definition?


Homework Equations


f[tex]^{-1}[/tex](S)={a[tex]\in[/tex]A| f(a)[tex]\in[/tex]S}
f(S)={f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}


The Attempt at a Solution


Alright, I only have an idea of how to do 36, 40 I am lost. The professor said to use proof by case for 36, so here is how I thought it would go:

a) prove:f(S[tex]\cup[/tex]T)=f(S)[tex]\cup[/tex]f(T)

Proof:

1) assume x[tex]\in[/tex] f(SUT), then, by definition x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]SUT}

2) If x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]SUT}, then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S or T} by definition of union.

3) If x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}, then x[tex]\in[/tex]f(S), and since f(S)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S)Uf(T), thus if x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S} then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}[tex]\cup[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.

4)If x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}, then x[tex]\in[/tex]f(T), and since f(T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S)Uf(T), thus if x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T} then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}[tex]\cup[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.

4)Therefore if x[tex]\in[/tex]f(SUT) then x[tex]\in[/tex]f(S)Uf(T)

5 Now we must prove that f(S)[tex]\cup[/tex]f(T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S[tex]\cup[/tex]T, to do this, just invert the steps of this proof (obviously I wouldn't put this on a test but to cut length, this is reasonable)

b)f(S[tex]\cap[/tex]T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex] f(S)[tex]\cap[/tex]f(T)

proof:

1) assume x[tex]\in[/tex] f(S[tex]\cap[/tex]T), then, by definition x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S[tex]\cap[/tex]T}

2) Then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S and T}.

3) Thus s[tex]\in[/tex]S and s[tex]\in[/tex]T and so, through simplification, we can say:

4) s[tex]\in[/tex]S, if s[tex]\in[/tex]S then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}

5) We can also say s[tex]\in[/tex]T, and if s[tex]\in[/tex]T then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.

6) Therefore, if s[tex]\in[/tex]S and s[tex]\in[/tex]T, which are true, we have x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S} and x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T} (we can say through addition).

7) Note that by the definition of intersection, x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}[tex]\cap[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.

8) Therefore, if x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S[tex]\cap[/tex]T} then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}[tex]\cap[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.

9)if x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S[tex]\cap[/tex]T} then x[tex]\in[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]S}[tex]\cap[/tex]{f(s)|s[tex]\in[/tex]T}.


10)This means f(S[tex]\cap[/tex]T)[tex]\subseteq[/tex]f(S)[tex]\cap[/tex]f(T).

For Problem 40, I am wondering whether the proofs follow the same steps, or is there something else I have to worry about?
 
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To make this easier, forget problem 36, and 40, I can go in for help for that. Now my main question is on proving surjectivity: How is this done. I understand, you must pick a random member y0 of the codomain and prove that there is some value x0 from the domain such that f(x0)=y0, in practice however, this gives me trouble. For example, f(x)=x^2 isn't surjective on R-->R, however, it is surjective on R-->R+, how would one guarantee that the y0 value picked from the codomain reflects the restrictions put on it?
 


Enjoicube said:
To make this easier, forget problem 36, and 40, I can go in for help for that. Now my main question is on proving surjectivity: How is this done. I understand, you must pick a random member y0 of the codomain and prove that there is some value x0 from the domain such that f(x0)=y0, in practice however, this gives me trouble. For example, f(x)=x^2 isn't surjective on R-->R, however, it is surjective on R-->R+, how would one guarantee that the y0 value picked from the codomain reflects the restrictions put on it?
By saying so? If you want to prove that f(x)= x2:R-->R+ is surjective, you would start by saying "Let y be in R+." Then you are looking for x in R such that x2= y. Since y is in R+, x= y1/2 exists.
 


Aha, thank you, why it couldn't be explained as clearly as that in my text is beyond me.
 

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