Proving Gauss Law using a "bad" Gaussian surface

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The discussion revolves around proving Gauss's Law using a cylindrical Gaussian surface positioned perpendicular to an infinite charged wire. The original poster expresses a desire to explore this unconventional approach despite acknowledging simpler methods.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric flux through different parts of the cylinder, including the top, bottom, and sides. There are inquiries about the clarity of the proof's objective and the reasoning behind choosing this specific cylindrical orientation over more conventional shapes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on addressing the flux through the sides of the cylinder and emphasizing the need for a clear statement of the proof's goal. There is recognition of the complexity involved in the chosen method, with some caution expressed regarding the difficulty of the integrals involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of evaluating integrals analytically and question the rationale behind the choice of a cylindrical surface in this orientation, suggesting that alternative shapes could be considered.

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Homework Statement


What I basically want to do is to prove Gauss Law with a cylinder perpendicular to an infinite charged wire (I know I can do this simple, but I want to do it this way)
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This is what I have done so far:

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Homework Equations


$$\Phi=\int \frac{dq}{4\pi \varepsilon_0 r^2} \hat{r} \cdot d\vec{A}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


So $$d=\frac{z}{tan(\theta)}$$ and therefore $$r^2=z^2 cot^2(\theta)+z^2$$. Now the flux through the top of the cylinder is $$\Phi=\int \frac{\lambda dx}{4\pi \varepsilon_0[z^2(1+cot^2(\theta))]} \widehat{r} \cdot d\vec{A}$$ where
$$\vec{A}=(\rho d\rho d\phi)\hat{z}$$ and $$\hat{r}=\frac{\vec{r}}{|r|}$$
So:
$$\Phi=\int \frac{\lambda dx}{4\pi \varepsilon_0[z^2(1+cot^2(\theta))]^{\frac{3}{2}}} (dcos(\phi),dsin(\phi),z) \cdot (\rho d\rho d\phi)(0,0,\hat{z})$$
But I don't know how to proceed... Maybe I can use cosine law to find $$\rho$$?
 
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How do you plan to handle the flux through the sides of the cylinder?
Also: you need a clear statement of what, exactly, it is that you are proving.
 
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Simon Bridge said:
How do you plan to handle the flux through the sides of the cylinder?
Also: you need a clear statement of what, exactly, it is that you are proving.
Using the fact that $$d\vec{A}$$ is $$\rho d\rho d\phi \hat{\rho}$$. First, I want to calculate the flux in the bottom and top of the cylinder, and I expect it will be slightly similar in the case of the sides. What I want to prove is that this flux is equal to $$\frac{q}{\varepsilon_0}$$
 
OK good luck ... there is a reason people don't try this: it's very difficult.
It is not uncommon to end up with integrals that cannot be evaluated analytically.

The integral you are asking about needs limits ...

... and you still should make an explicit statement of what you want to prove.
Are you just rotating the standard gaussian surface for the hell of it or are you trying to find something out?
ie. why pick a cylinder in that orientation? Why not a spheroid or a cube? Why not have the line of charge pass through the cylinder at an arbitrary angle to the cylinder axis?
 

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