Proving Injection in Composite Functions

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The discussion revolves around proving the injectivity of a function f given that the composite function g ° f is injective. Participants explore the implications of this relationship between the functions f and g.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to show that f(a) = f(b) implies a = b, questioning whether the injectivity of g is necessary for this proof. Some attempt to use function mapping diagrams to illustrate their points.

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The discussion is active with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that a contradiction approach could be used, while others argue against the necessity of g being injective. Guidance has been offered regarding the logical steps needed to establish the injectivity of f.

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There is mention of the problem being posed by a professor, indicating that it may not be a traditional homework assignment. Participants express uncertainty about the requirements and the nature of the proof.

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Given two functions:
f:A --> B
g:B --> C
How to show that if the (g ° f) is injection, then f is injection?

I tried this:

We need to show that g(f(a)) = g(f(b)) ==> a = b holds true for all a, b in A. But there's nothing said about function g.
 
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I've tried using function mapping diagrams and actually it showed this proposition is wrong.
(g ° f) injective ==> g and f are injective.
 
dijkarte said:
We need to show that g(f(a)) = g(f(b)) ==> a = b holds true for all a, b in A.

No, you don't need to show that, that's given.

You need to show that f is an injection. That is: f(a)=f(b) ==> a=b. That is what you need to show.
 
You are absolutely right, my bad expressing the problem...

And yeah my post should have been moved under elementary school math ;)

But it's not a homework either, it's a question my professor did not have time to clarify well!
 
dijkarte said:
But it's not a homework either

Doesn't really matter. It's the style of homework, so it belongs here. It's irrelevant whether it is actually homework.

So, got any ideas??

You have f(a)=f(b) and you need to prove a=b.
Convert it to g(f(a))=g(f(b)) in some way.
 
But I think in order to show that f(a) = f(b) ==> a = b, g has to be given as injection as well, though I could prove that both functions g and f are injections using function mapping diagram.
 
dijkarte said:
But I think in order to show that f(a) = f(b) ==> a = b, g has to be given as injection as well, though I could prove that both functions g and f are injections using function mapping diagram.

No, you don't need that g is an injection.
And if gf is an injection, then it does NOT imply that g is an injection.
 
Ok I could prove it by contradiction. Assuming f(x) is not injection, then

Then there's the case where f(a) = f(b) and a != b for some a, b

Then g(f(a)) = g(f(b)) where a != b, which contradicts the given argument.
 
That is ok. But there is no need for a contradiction argument.

If f(a)=f(b). Taking g of both sides, we get g(f(a))=g(f(b)). By hypothesis, this implies a=b.
 
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Got it! Any good reference that helps with doing proper proofs?

Thanks.
 
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The book "How to think like a mathematician" by Kevin Houston is a good book.
 

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