Proving lim(n→∞)1/an=0 if lim(n→∞)an=0 is False

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The discussion revolves around the limit properties of sequences, specifically exploring the implications of the limit of a sequence approaching zero and its reciprocal. Participants are examining how to prove that if the limit of a sequence \( a_n \) approaches infinity, then the limit of \( 1/a_n \) approaches zero. The conversation includes attempts to clarify definitions and provide counterexamples.

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  • One participant asks how to prove that if \( \lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = 0 \), then \( \lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0 \), indicating a need for a proof using \( \epsilon \) and \( \delta \).
  • Another participant suggests that there is a typo in the original statement, asserting that if \( a_n \) approaches zero, then \( 1/a_n \) approaches infinity, unless \( a_n \) oscillates.
  • Several participants clarify that the correct statement should be that if \( \lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = \infty \), then \( \lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0 \).
  • One participant encourages others to write out the definitions of the limits to understand the implications better.
  • Another suggests proving the limit of \( 1/n \) as \( n \) approaches infinity is zero as a preliminary step.
  • Multiple participants express their struggle with definitions and seek guidance on how to approach the proof.
  • A participant attempts to provide a proof for the converse, suggesting that if \( \lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0 \), then it implies \( \lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = \infty \), but this claim is met with skepticism.
  • One participant points out a flaw in the reasoning presented in the proof attempt regarding inequalities.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the converse statement regarding the limits. Some participants assert that the converse is true, while others challenge this assertion, indicating a disagreement on the implications of the limits discussed.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and theorems related to limits, which may affect their understanding and ability to engage with the proofs being discussed. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the proofs presented.

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if lim(n→∞)an=0 then prove lim(n→∞)[itex]1/an[/itex]=0

how do i do this, i know how to proove it geometrically, but how do you write the proof using ε
and [itex]\delta[/itex]

Give a counter example to show that the converse is false.
 
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There must be a typo here, for if an -> 0 then obviously 1/an -> infinity (if an>0, otherwise it may oscillate between +infinity and -infinity).
 
if lim(n→∞) an = ∞ then prove lim(n→∞) 1/an = 0 is what it shoud say say sorry. where an is a sequence
 
gregy6196 said:
if lim(n→∞) an = ∞ then prove lim(n→∞) 1/an = 0 is what it shoud say say sorry. where an is a sequence

What have you tried? We can't help until we see your attempt. The only hint I will give is to write out the definitions. What does [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = \infty[/itex] mean? How about [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0[/itex]?
 
Why don't you first prove that the limit of 1/n as n goes to infinity is zero, and then consider the limit of 1/a_n as a composition?
 
i can prove it graphically but i don't know the deffinitions and this is not for assingnment, once someone shows me how its done then i can start my assignments, i need the basics first
 
gregy6196 said:
i can prove it graphically but i don't know the deffinitions and this is not for assingnment, once someone shows me how its done then i can start my assignments, i need the basics first

You can find the necessary definitions here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_of_a_sequence
 
thanks. can you please show me how to approach it
 
gregy6196 said:
thanks. can you please show me how to approach it

Here's the definition for [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = \infty[/itex]. For any [itex]M > 0[/itex] there is positive integer N such that for any [itex]n \geq N[/itex], [itex]a_n > M[/itex].

Now you write out the definition for [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0[/itex] and try to see why [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n = \infty[/itex] implies [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} 1/a_n = 0[/itex] from these definitions.
 
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For any ε positive you should find an N s.t for all n>N |1/an - 0| < ε. You must show that it would suffice to do this for all ε = 1/m where m is an integer (exercise). Then since your sequence goes to infinity, you can find an N s.t for all n>N an > m hence 1/an < 1/m and then you are done (fill in the gaps if you want to understand the definition of limit).
 
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thanks for this, can you please give a counter example to show the converse is false?
 
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gregy6196 said:
thanks for this, can you please give a counter example to show the converse is false?


I think the converse is also true,here is a proof:

Let M>0,then (1/M)>0

Since [tex]lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{1}{a_{n}}=0[/tex] for all ε>0 there exists a natural No k such that:

for all ,n [tex]n\geq k\Longrightarrow \frac{1}{a_{n}}<\epsilon[/tex].

Put [tex]\epsilon = \frac{1}{M}[/tex] and we have that :

for all ,n [tex]n\geq k\Longrightarrow \frac{1}{a_{n}}<\frac{1}{M}\Longleftrightarrow a_{n}>M[/tex]

Hence [tex]lim_{n\to\infty} a_{n} = \infty[/tex]
 
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evagelos said:
\frac{1}{a_{n}}<\frac{1}{M}\Longleftrightarrow a_{n}>M[/tex]

This step is false:

[tex]\frac{1}{-2}<\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

but not

[tex]-2>2[/tex]
 

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