Proving Limit of x^3sin(1/x) = 0 as x approaches 0

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the function x3sin(1/x) as x approaches 0, specifically showing that this limit equals 0. The subject area is calculus, focusing on limits and the epsilon-delta definition of limits.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the intuitive understanding that sin(1/x) is bounded between -1 and 1, leading to the conclusion that x3sin(1/x) approaches 0 as x approaches 0. There are questions about the necessity of a formal proof, particularly whether a delta-epsilon argument is required or if a theorem could suffice. Some participants express uncertainty about how to restrict the functions involved in the proof.

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Several participants have shared their thoughts on how to approach the proof, with some suggesting the use of the squeeze theorem while others are focused on developing a delta-epsilon argument. There is recognition of the need for clarity in the argument structure, and some participants have provided suggestions for improving the presentation of their reasoning.

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Participants are navigating the formal requirements of the proof, including the implications of restricting the functions involved and the necessity of excluding x=0 from the argument. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the proof adheres to the epsilon-delta definition of limits.

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Homework Statement



Prove:

Limit of x3sin(1/x)=0 as x→0


The Attempt at a Solution



Intuitively, I understand that since sin(1/x) always lies between 1 and -1, and since x approaches zero, x3sin(1/x) must also approach zero. When formally expressing proof, however, which do we restrict, x3 or sin(1/x)?
 
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AimlessWander said:

Homework Statement



Prove:

Limit of x3sin(1/x)=0 as x→0


The Attempt at a Solution



Intuitively, I understand that since sin(1/x) always lies between 1 and -1, and since x approaches zero, x3sin(1/x) must also approach zero. When formally expressing proof, however, which do we restrict, x3 or sin(1/x)?
There are two things I don't understand.
1. How formally do you need to prove this? I.e., do you need to do a δ-ε argument, or can you use a theorem?
2. What do you mean "which do we restrict"? The variable x is approaching zero, so both x3 and sin(1/x) are affected.
 
Preferably delta-epsilon. I know how to prove it with squeeze theorem, but I got stuck at δ-ε proof.
I think I have an idea of how to prove it with δ-ε, but I'm not sure.
EDIT: Oh, and by restrictions, I mean what is taken as δ so we can focus on one function of x, since it's not multiplied by a constant, rather, another function of x.so if ε>0

-1≤sin(1/x)≤1
x3 |sin(1/x)|≤x3
|x3sin(1/x)|≤x3

since |x3sin(1/x)| = |[x3sin(1/x)]-0| <ε and |x3| <ε
x3
x<cubic√ε
|x|<cubic√ε
|x-0|<cubic√ε

let δ=cubic√ε
0<|x-0|<cubic√ε
0<|x-0|<δ
|[x3sin(1/x)]-0| = |f(x)-0| <ε
 
AimlessWander said:
Preferably delta-epsilon. I know how to prove it with squeeze theorem, but I got stuck at δ-ε proof.
I think I have an idea of how to prove it with δ-ε, but I'm not sure.
EDIT: Oh, and by restrictions, I mean what is taken as δ so we can focus on one function of x, since it's not multiplied by a constant, rather, another function of x.so if ε>0

-1≤sin(1/x)≤1
x3 |sin(1/x)|≤x3
|x3sin(1/x)|≤x3

since |x3sin(1/x)| = |[x3sin(1/x)]-0| <ε and |x3| <ε
x3<ε.
x<cubic√ε
|x|<cubic√ε
|x-0|<cubic√ε

let δ=cubic√ε
0<|x-0|<cubic√ε
0<|x-0|<δ
|[x3sin(1/x)]-0| = |f(x)-0| <ε

You definitely have the correct idea and a good argument. But you could write it up a bit nicer. Since you have already solved it, I will suggest how you should write up your argument:

Suppose ##\epsilon > 0##. Pick ##\delta = \sqrt[3]\epsilon##. Then if ##0<|x-0|<\delta##$$
\left| x^3\sin(\frac 1 x)\right| =\left| x^3\right|\left| \sin(\frac 1 x)\right| \le |x^3|\cdot 1
< (\sqrt[3]\epsilon)^3=\epsilon $$Note that you can't allow ##x=0## in the argument.
 
LCKurtz said:
You definitely have the correct idea and a good argument. But you could write it up a bit nicer. Since you have already solved it, I will suggest how you should write up your argument:

Suppose ##\epsilon > 0##. Pick ##\delta = \sqrt[3]\epsilon##. Then if ##0<|x-0|<\delta##$$
\left| x^3\sin(\frac 1 x)\right| =\left| x^3\right|\left| \sin(\frac 1 x)\right| \le |x^3|\cdot 1
< (\sqrt[3]\epsilon)^3=\epsilon $$Note that you can't allow ##x=0## in the argument.

Awesome, yeah that's a lot cleaner and less redundant than mine. Thanks so much! Really appreciate it. :)
 

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