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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of the sum of two functions, specifically the statement that \(\lim_{x\rightarrow p}(f(x)+g(x))=\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+\lim_{x\rightarrow p}g(x)\), using the definitions involving δ (delta) and ε (epsilon). The subject area is calculus, focusing on limits and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants share their attempts to establish the limit using δ and ε, discussing the conditions under which the limits exist. Some participants question the correctness of their approaches and seek clarification on the implications of their reasoning.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of δ values and the division of ε into parts for the individual limits, but no consensus has been reached on the complete proof.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the initial problem statement and the specific limits being proven. Participants are also considering the implications of defining δ as the minimum of δf and δg, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the approach.

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Homework Statement


Hello! Now I want to prove this using only δ and ε:[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+g(x)=\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+\lim_{x\rightarrow p}g(x)[/tex]

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


These are my attempts to solve the problem.
First we start with
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+g(x)[/tex]
if the limit do exist (and we know it does) then
[tex]p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow f(p)-\epsilon <f(x)+g(x)<f(p)+\epsilon[/tex]
and it's limit is given by
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow f(x)+g(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex]
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+f(x)+g(x)[/tex]

now we do the same thing for f(x)
if the limit do exit then
[tex]p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow f(p)-\epsilon <f(x)<f(p)+\epsilon[/tex]
and it's limit is given by
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow f(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex]
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+f(x)[/tex]

now we do it for g(x)
[tex]p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow g(p)-\epsilon <g(x)<g(p)+\epsilon[/tex]
and it's limit is given by
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow g(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex]
[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+g(x)[/tex]

Now we see that [tex]L>-\epsilon+g(x)[/tex] and [tex]L>-\epsilon+f(x)[/tex] hence
[tex]f(x)=g(x)[/tex]
Now I'm stuck! I mean, I don't know if what I did is correct so I don't think I should go on...
 
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DDarthVader said:

Homework Statement


Hello! Now I want to prove this using only δ and ε:[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+g(x)=\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+\lim_{x\rightarrow p}g(x)[/tex]

I think they want you to prove that

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}(f(x)+g(x))=\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+\lim_{x\rightarrow p}g(x)[/tex]

Big difference.
 
Yes! Sorry my fault.
Anyway, do you know how to prove it?
 
DDarthVader said:

Homework Statement


Hello! Now I want to prove this using only δ and ε:[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+g(x)=\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+\lim_{x\rightarrow p}g(x)[/tex]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


These are my attempts to solve the problem.
First we start with [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow p}f(x)+g(x)[/tex] if the limit do exist (and we know it does) then [tex]p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow f(p)-\epsilon <f(x)+g(x)<f(p)+\epsilon[/tex] and it's limit is given by [tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow f(x)+g(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex] [tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+f(x)+g(x)[/tex]
now we do the same thing for f(x)
if the limit do exit then[tex] p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow f(p)-\epsilon <f(x)<f(p)+\epsilon[/tex]and it's limit is given by [tex] 0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow f(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex] [tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+f(x)[/tex]
now we do it for g(x)[tex] p-\delta <x<p+\delta \Rightarrow g(p)-\epsilon <g(x)<g(p)+\epsilon[/tex]and it's limit is given by[tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow g(x)-L<\epsilon[/tex][tex]0<x-p<\delta \Rightarrow L>-\epsilon+g(x)[/tex]
Now we see that [tex]L>-\epsilon+g(x)[/tex] and [tex]L>-\epsilon+f(x)[/tex] hence
[tex]f(x)=g(x)[/tex]Now I'm stuck! I mean, I don't know if what I did is correct so I don't think I should go on...
I assume that what need to do is the following.
If [itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\to \ p}f(x)[/itex] and [itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\to\ p}g(x)[/itex] exist, then prove that [itex]\displaystyle \lim_{x\to\ p}(f(x)+g(x))=\lim_{x\to\ p}f(x)+\lim_{x\to\ p}g(x)\ .[/itex]​
Given ε > 0, use εf = ε/2 and εg = ε/2 .

You then know that there is some δf and δg .

What should your δ be for the limit of the sum ?
 
Why εf = ε/2 and εg = ε/2?

What should your δ be for the limit of the sum ?
My δ would be δ=min{δf,δg}, correct?
 
DDarthVader said:
Yes! Sorry my fault.
Anyway, do you know how to prove it?

Yes. I already took that class!
 
DDarthVader said:
Why εf = ε/2 and εg = ε/2?


My δ would be δ=min{δf,δg}, correct?
That's the correct δ.

Put it all together to see why εf = ε/2 and εg = ε/2 .
 

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