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The discussion revolves around proving that a closed ball in R^n is a manifold with boundary, as well as exploring the properties of the space C^∞(M) on a smooth manifold M of dimension n>0. The scope includes theoretical aspects of manifold definitions, dimensionality of function spaces, and the construction of charts for manifolds with boundaries.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about proving that a closed ball in R^n is a manifold with boundary using the definition of a manifold with boundary.
  • One suggestion involves using a tangent n-1 plane and adjusting points in the lower half of the ball to demonstrate the boundary.
  • Another participant notes that two charts are needed to cover the unit ball with boundary, similar to covering a sphere.
  • It is stated that C^{\infty}(M) is an infinite-dimensional vector space.
  • Some participants propose producing charts for both interior and boundary points to show that boundary points are part of the manifold boundary.
  • There is a question regarding the linear independence of functions in C^∞(M) and whether the set of these functions is linearly independent.
  • A later reply suggests that to demonstrate the infinite dimensionality of C^∞(M), one could find an infinite set of linearly independent functions, such as variations of bump functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that C^{\infty}(M) is infinite-dimensional, but there is no consensus on the best approach to prove that a closed ball in R^n is a manifold with boundary. Multiple competing views and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the need for clarity on the definitions of charts and the specific properties of functions in C^∞(M). The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the construction of manifolds with boundaries.

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Hi,

I have two questions: how can we prove a closed ball in R^n is manifold with boundary only using the definition being manifold with boundary. Also i want to ask C^/inf(M) is infinite dimensional where M is smooth manifold of dimension n>0.
 
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seydunas said:
Hi,

I have two questions: how can we prove a closed ball in R^n is manifold with boundary only using the definition being manifold with boundary. Also i want to ask C^/inf(M) is infinite dimensional where M is smooth manifold of dimension n>0.

Would this work?

Stand the ball on a tangent n-1 plane an subtract the height of the lower half of the boundary from the n-1 plane from each point in the lower half ball.
 


Much like you need two charts to cover the sphere, you will need two charts for the "unit ball with boundary".
 
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Yes, C^{\infty}(M) is an infinite-dimensional vector space.
 


I'm not sure of the definition, but why not just produce charts for both the interior points and for the boundary points, i.e., show that the points in the (topological) boundary are also (in this case) part of the manifold boundary?
 


C/inf(M) is infinite dimensional but how? I thought that for all point on M (one point is closed set) there exist open nhd, and by using partitions of unity we can extend the function on M , now i wonder that the set of theese functions is linearly independent or not? IF so, we are done.
 


For manifold with boundary, how can we write the charts precisely?
 


You write the charts just like you do for manifolds without boundary, only that you have interior charts and boundary charts.
 
To see that C^/infty(M) is infinite dimensional, just find an infinite set of linearly independent functions. For example, any "bump function" around a point with different variations of "steepness" could generate infinitely many such functions.
 

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