Proving Normality to a Level Surface: A Derivation Approach

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that certain functions are normal to level surfaces, specifically focusing on the role of the gradient vector in this context. Participants are exploring the relationship between the gradient of a function and its level surfaces, which are defined for functions of two and three variables.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are attempting to understand how to show that the gradient vector is normal to the level surfaces. Questions arise about the necessity of calculating a direction vector and the interpretation of the gradient in relation to tangent vectors on the surface.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the properties of the gradient vector and its relationship to level surfaces. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and theorems related to gradients and normal vectors, with some participants expressing confusion about the vectors involved in demonstrating perpendicularity.

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There are mentions of potential confusion stemming from textbook explanations of level surfaces and curves, as well as the participants' varying levels of familiarity with the concepts being discussed.

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Hi guys I am a bit stuck on how I am suppose to show, that thse funcitons are normal to level surface. I am I suppose to do a derivation of some sort, alls my notes say in a tiny box, that grad f is always in the direction to the normal of the surface. Do I have to calculate a direction vector, I really am not too sure. I am I have taken the partial derivative but what do I do from there?

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Taylor_1989 said:

Homework Statement


Hi guys I am a bit stuck on how I am suppose to show, that thse funcitons are normal to level surface. I am I suppose to do a derivation of some sort, alls my notes say in a tiny box, that grad f is always in the direction to the normal of the surface. Do I have to calculate a direction vector, I really am not too sure. I am I have taken the partial derivative but what do I do from there?

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I should mention that how your textbook describes level surfaces is at least confusing, and at worst, wrong. For a function of two variables f(x, y), the level curves are curves in the x-y plane for which f(x, y) = c, for some constant c. For example, if f(x, y) = x2 + y2 - 4, the level curves are all circles if k > -4, and a single point if k = -4. Note that the graph of z = f(x, y) is a surface in three dimensions. The level curves are two dimensional curves that lie in various planes that are parallel to the x-y plane.

For a function of three variables f(x, y, z), the level surfaces are surfaces in three dimensions for which f(x, y, z) = c, with c a constant. It's not possible to graph of a function of three variables, w = f(x, y, z), as this would require four dimensions. One could graph the level surfaces f(x, y, z) = c, as each level surface requires only three dimensions.

As far as the part about showing that the gradient is normal to the level curve/level surface, you previously should have learned something about how to determine whether two vectors are perpendicular.
 
First thanks for the clarification. Two vectors will be perpendicular we the dot product is equal to 0. But What I do understand is what vectors I am comparing?
See I get the partial derivative will give me grad f but where is the other vector. I can't see how I am suppose to show that the it perpendicular without another vector. I am very new to this maths a day to be exact. So I am thinking that the arbitary postion that i choose say ##(x_0,y_0,z_0## is a postion vector?
 
Taylor_1989 said:
First thanks for the clarification. Two vectors will be perpendicular we the dot product is equal to 0. But What I do understand is what vectors I am comparing?
See I get the partial derivative will give me grad f but where is the other vector. I can't see how I am suppose to show that the it perpendicular without another vector. I am very new to this maths a day to be exact. So I am thinking that the arbitary postion that i choose say ##(x_0,y_0,z_0## is a postion vector?
I think you are overthinking this problem. If you want a vector perpendicular to a level surface, the answer is the gradient vector. That's all you have to do. Now, if you look back at the proof of the theorem that says the gradient is always perpendicular to a level surface, you might see an argument that shows the gradient is perpendicular to all the tangent vectors to the surface at a given point. That tells you the "other" vectors to which the gradient is perpendicular. But you don't usually reprove the theorem every time you want to use it. So if you want a vector perpendicular to a surface at a point ##(x_0,y_0,z_0)## on the surface ##f(x,y,z)=C##, the answer is ##\nabla f(x_0,y_0,z_0)##. That's all you have to do.
 
Taylor_1989 said:
First thanks for the clarification. Two vectors will be perpendicular we the dot product is equal to 0. But What I do understand is what vectors I am comparing?
I think you're supposed to figure out what the normal to each surface is based on your answers to exercise 3.1 and show ##\nabla f## is proportional to it.
 

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