Proving range of transformation

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The discussion revolves around proving the range of a transformation \( T: \mathbb{R}^3 \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^2 \) defined by \( T = <2y, x+y+z> \). The original poster expresses uncertainty about the concept of range and its implications for the transformation being onto.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the transformation being onto and the relationship between the range and the codomain. There is an attempt to understand how to demonstrate that the range covers all of \( \mathbb{R}^2 \) by considering arbitrary points in that space.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the proof by suggesting the examination of arbitrary points in \( \mathbb{R}^2 \). There is an acknowledgment of misunderstandings regarding the definition of range and its relevance to the transformation.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes a lack of familiarity with the concept of kernel, which may be relevant to understanding the transformation's properties. There is also a mention of confusion regarding the terminology used in the context of the transformation's range.

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Homework Statement


I haven't learned kernel yet so if that's of use here I don't know it yet

let ##T: \mathbb{R^3} \rightarrow \mathbb{R^2}## where ##T<x,y,z>=<2y,x+y+z>##[/B]

prove that the range is ##\mathbb{R^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that T is not one-to-one, I checked that for a previous question. I did read if the range is ##\mathbb{R^n}## then T is onto. but I am not really sure how to prove the range is ##\mathbb{R^2}##
 
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A good way to do this is to choose any (a,b) in ##\mathbb{R}^2##. Since they are arbitrary points in the range, if you can find a general form for them which is in the domain (in this case ##\mathbb{R}^3##), then the range is the entirety of ##\mathbb{R}^2##.
 
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so it goes both way "if ##T## is onto ##\Leftarrow\Rightarrow## the range is ##\mathbb{R^n}##"

thanks

I think I was misunderstanding what range meant in this sense.
 
jonroberts74 said:
so it goes both way "if ##T## is onto ##\Leftarrow\Rightarrow## the range is ##\mathbb{R^n}##"
Since T is a transformation to ##\mathbb{R^2}## what you said should refer to that space, not ##\mathbb{R^n}##.
jonroberts74 said:
thanks

I think I was misunderstanding what range meant in this sense.
 

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