Proving Rational Numbers: Multiplication Axioms & Contra

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The discussion revolves around proving properties related to rational numbers, specifically focusing on multiplication axioms and the existence of rational solutions to equations involving squares. The original poster presents two problems: demonstrating that 1 / (1/x) equals x for non-zero x, and proving that there is no rational number p such that p^2 equals 12.

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  • Participants explore the uniqueness of multiplicative inverses and the implications of the multiplicative inverse property. There is a discussion about using contradiction to establish that (1/x) is not zero. For the second problem, the reasoning involves examining the divisibility of a in the equation (a/b)^2 = 12 and questioning the assumptions regarding a being a multiple of 12.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the uniqueness of multiplicative inverses and the approach to proving the second problem, though there is still uncertainty about specific steps and assumptions.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of proving statements about rational numbers while adhering to axiomatic properties. There is an emphasis on the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions, particularly regarding divisibility and the properties of squares.

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Prove using the multiplication axioms that if x is not zero, then 1 / (1/x) is equal to x.


Prove that there is no rational number, p, such that p^2 = 12


I know for all x there exists x^-1 such that xx^-1 = 1 but i don't know how to use that to prove the first one.

For the second one, I understand the proof for p^2 = 2 by contradiction by showing that it was not reduced to lowest term because both a and b in a/b turned out to be even, but i can't seem to duplicate the process for 12.
 
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For the first one, it's a good idea to show that multiplicative inverses are unique, but I don't think you need to (someone else will correct me if I'm wrong).

Basically, you need to first check that if x =/= 0, then (1/x) =/= 0. You can do this by contradiction. Then you basically apply the multiplicative inverse property to (1/x), and you can do this because you have established (1/x) =/= 0.

Eh, the duplication process should be the exact same thing. There are a lot of ways to do this since 12 has a few divisors. Suppose (a/b)^2 = 12, then a must be divisible by 12. So let a = 12k.

EDIT: Actually, it's somewhat important to show that multiplicative inverse are unique. Perhaps the easiest way to do this is by proving that if S is a field and x,y are elements of S with x =/= 0 and xy = 1 for all x,y, then y = x^-1. This follows almost immediately from the axiom.
 
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Thanks a lot. Maybe I'm just stupid, but why is "a" a multiple of 12? (a/b)^2 = 12, so a^2 is certainly a multiple of 12, but I'm not really convinced a is. are you using an axiom? if so which one or ones ? Thanks! ><
 
Hmmm, well a = 12k implies a2 = 144k2 = 12(12k2) so a2 is divisible by 12. Now we can let [tex]k \geq 1[/tex], so that if a2 is divisible by 12, then a2 = 12(12k2) = (12k)2. Then it's easy to see that the converse holds as well.
 

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