Proving Real Numbers Satisfy Inequality

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The discussion revolves around proving an inequality involving real numbers \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) under a specific condition. The participants explore various approaches to demonstrate that if \(\frac{1}{a+1} + \frac{1}{b+1} + \frac{1}{c+1} = 2\), then it follows that \(\frac{1}{4a+1} + \frac{1}{4b+1} + \frac{1}{4c+1} \geq 1\). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of potential solutions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the only solution for \(a = b = c\) is \(0.5\), suggesting that other values must yield higher results.
  • Another participant reformulates the condition and the inequality, leading to a comparison of expressions that may reveal contradictions.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the validity of a contradiction derived from the inequality, with participants questioning the steps taken to arrive at it.
  • Some participants argue that the contradiction arises because the solutions to the derived inequality are negative, conflicting with the assumption that \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) are positive.
  • There is confusion about the transition from the inequality to the quadratic form, with multiple participants seeking clarification on the steps involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the contradiction presented and the correctness of the mathematical steps leading to it. There is no consensus on whether the contradiction is valid or how it should be interpreted.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the original problem requires \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) to be positive, which is a critical assumption that affects the validity of the derived inequalities.

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the problem statement is:
if a,b,c are real numbers such that [tex]\frac{1}{a+1} + \frac{1}{b+1} + \frac{1}{c+1} = 2[/tex]

we have to prove that:
[tex]\frac{1}{4a+1} + \frac{1}{4b+1} + \frac{1}{4c+1} \geq 1[/tex]

thanks in advance.
 
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Well I thought id at least prove a general class of the solutions, where a=b=c, but it turns out that the only solution is a=b=c=0.5. It is the only solution where the 2nd equtation is exactly 1. The others must be more.

I tried another case, where 2 solutions (a and b) are equal, and it shows a=1/(2c+1). That might help, perhaps we could prove every case to be true.
 
Condition:
[tex]\frac{1}{a+1}+\frac{1}{b+1}+\frac{1}{c+1}=1-\frac{a}{a+1}+1-\frac{b}{b+1}+1-\frac{c}{c+1}=2[/tex]

Hence,the condition is equivalent with:
[tex]\frac{a}{a+1}+\frac{b}{b+1}+\frac{c}{c+1}=1[/tex]

Inequality:
By similar simple algebra the inequality can be rewritten as follows:
[tex]\frac{4a}{4a+1}+\frac{4b}{4b+1}+\frac{4c}{4c+1}\leq 2[/tex]

Now,let's consider the difference "Inequality-Condition":

[tex]\left(\frac{4a}{4a+1}-\frac{a}{a+1}\right)+\left(\frac{4b}{4b+1}-\frac{b}{b+1}\right)+\left(\frac{4c}{4c+1}-\frac{b}{b+1}\right)\leq 1[/tex]
.

Every expression within brackets is of form [itex]\frac{4x}{4x+1}-\frac{x}{x+1}[/itex].


[tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1}-\frac{x}{x+1}>\frac{1}{3}?\rightarrow 4x^2-4x+1<0\rightarrow 4\left(x-\frac{1}{2}\right)^2<0\longrightarrow Contradiction![/tex]

QED


EDIT:BTW,this cute little problem was misplaced in dumb brainteasers section.
Elementar proof presented here is understandable even to 6th graders.:smile:
 
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That's simply a brilliant solution. Wow !:approve: :cool:
 
tehno said:
[tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1}-\frac{x}{x+1}>\frac{1}{3}?\rightarrow 4x^2-4x+1<0\rightarrow 4\left(x-\frac{1}{2}\right)^2<0\longrightarrow Contradiction![/tex]
how do you get a contradiction here? i get:

[tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1} - \frac{x}{x+1} > \frac{1}{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{3x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > \frac{1}{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > 1[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} - 1 > 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x - 4x^2 - 5x - 1}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{4x^2 - 4x + 1}{(4x+1)(x+1)} < 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{(2x-1)^2}{(4x+1)(x+1)} < 0[/tex]

[tex](4x+1)(x+1) < 0[/tex]

[tex]x \in \left(-\frac{1}{4}, -1\right)[/tex]

so where is the contradiction?
 
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Ahh here's your problem murshid_islam, you know when you copyed this problem over from the brain teasers section? https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=131366

Take a look at the original question, a b and c have to be positive. All the solutions to that quadratic inequality are negative, and therefore we reach a contradiction.
 
thanks Gib Z. but still, the contradiction tehno got is wrong, isn't it?
 
Why is the contradiction wrong? The inequaility has only negative solutions, which is contradictory from the original assumption of positive solutions.
 
tehno said:
[tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1}-\frac{x}{x+1}>\frac{1}{3}?\rightarrow 4x^2-4x+1<0[/tex]
how do you get from [tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1}-\frac{x}{x+1}>\frac{1}{3}[/tex] to [tex]4x^2-4x+1<0[/tex]

thats what i said was wrong?
 
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Well I've tried for 30 mins now, i can't see how he got that either. Help tehno!
 
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murshid_islam said:
how do you get a contradiction here? i get:

[tex]\frac{4x}{4x+1} - \frac{x}{x+1} > \frac{1}{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{3x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > \frac{1}{3}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > 1[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x}{(4x+1)(x+1)} - 1 > 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{9x - 4x^2 - 5x - 1}{(4x+1)(x+1)} > 0[/tex]

[tex]\frac{4x^2 - 4x + 1}{(4x+1)(x+1)} < 0[/tex]

From here, x is positive, and so the denominator is always positive. So, for the inequality to hold, we require [itex]4x^2 - 4x + 1<0[/itex]. From here, the contradiction is obtained as in tehno's post.
 
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