Proving Remainders: First Proof in Intro to Proof Class

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement related to modular arithmetic, specifically that if \( a \equiv b \mod n \), then \( a \) and \( b \) have the same remainders when divided by \( n \). Participants are exploring the nuances of this proof in the context of an introductory proof class, where foundational concepts of remainders and congruences are being applied for the first time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to construct a proof based on the assumption that \( n \mid (a-b) \) and are expressing concerns about the clarity and correctness of the problem statement. Questions are raised regarding the interpretation of the congruence and the conditions under which the proof is valid.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the proof attempts, highlighting potential errors and ambiguities in the statements made. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the problem and the assumptions necessary for the proof, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem statement may be incomplete or misphrased, leading to confusion. There are also discussions about the proper definitions and conditions for congruences and remainders, which are critical for the proof's validity.

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Homework Statement


I have to prove "If a is congruent a (mod b) then a and b have the same remainders when divided by n.
I'm in a intro to proof class and we haven't gone into much detail about this topic. In fact this is the first proof dealing with remainders I have to prove. Not sure if i did it right though?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my proof:
Assume n|(a-b) implies ns=a-b where sεZ. Let a=nk+r1 where 0≤n<n. This means that ns=nk+r1-b then nk-ns+r1=b where n(k-s)+r1. Since k-sεZ then a and b both share the same remainder.
 
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halo31 said:

Homework Statement


I have to prove "If a is congruent a (mod b) then a and b have the same remainders.
What is the exact problem statement? Your statement seems to be missing some important parts. What you have doesn't make any sense.

halo31 said:
I'm in a intro to proof class and we haven't gone into much detail about this topic. In fact this is the first proof dealing with remainders I have to prove. Not sure if i did it right though?


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The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my proof:
Assume n|(a-b) implies ns=a-b where sεZ. Let a=nk+r1 where 0≤n<n.
How can n < n?
halo31 said:
This means that ns=nk+r1-b then nk-ns+r1=b where n(k-s)+r1. Since k-sεZ then a and b both share the same remainder.
 
halo31 said:

Homework Statement


I have to prove "If a is congruent a (mod b) then a and b have the same remainders.
I'm in a intro to proof class and we haven't gone into much detail about this topic. In fact this is the first proof dealing with remainders I have to prove. Not sure if i did it right though?

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



Here is my proof:
Assume n|(a-b) implies ns=a-b where sεZ. Let a=nk+r1 where 0≤n<n. This means that ns=nk+r1-b then nk-ns+r1=b where n(k-s)+r1. Since k-sεZ then a and b both share the same remainder.
First of all, the statement of your problem,
"If a is congruent a (mod b) then a and b have the same remainders"​
Doesn't make sense.

After looking at your proof, I suspect that the problem reads something like:
If a ≡ b (mod n), then a and b have the same remainders upon division by n .​

Your proof the following error, probably a typo.

Let a=nk+r1 where 0≤n<n. should be: Let a=nk+r1 where 0 ≤ r1 < n.

Are you starting your proof by Assuming n|(a-b) ? You should instead say that n|(a-b) is what it means for a ≡ b (mod n) .

My other question to you is, what allows you to state, "Let a=nk+r1 ..." ? You should probably mention what allows you to state that.
 
Assume n≡a (mod b) which means n|(a-b). n|(a-b) implies ns=a-b where sεZ. Since a is divided by n then a=nk+r1 where 0≤r1<n where r1 represents the remainder. This means that ns=nk+r1-b = nk-ns+r1=b where n(k-s)+r1=b. Since k-sεZ then a and b both share the same remainder.
 

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