Proving rn = 2 - 1/(rn-2 + 1): Fibonacci Sequence Homework

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The discussion revolves around proving a relationship involving the ratios of subsequent terms in the Fibonacci sequence, specifically the equation rn = 2 - 1/(rn-2 + 1) for n > 2. The Fibonacci sequence is defined recursively, and the ratios are defined as rn = an+1 / an.

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  • Participants discuss various substitution methods to express rn in terms of previous ratios, particularly focusing on how to manipulate the Fibonacci definitions to reach the desired equation. There are attempts to simplify expressions through algebraic tricks and double substitutions.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and challenges. Some have suggested specific algebraic techniques and substitutions, while others express frustration at the complexity of the manipulations. There is no clear consensus on the next steps, but hints and guidance have been provided to facilitate further exploration.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the Fibonacci sequence definitions and are trying to derive a specific relationship without direct solutions being provided. There is an emphasis on understanding the algebraic manipulations involved.

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Homework Statement



So the Fibonacci Sequence is defined by

an = an-1 + an-2
a1=1, a2=1

We are more interested in the sequence of ratios of subsequent terms of the Fibonacci sequence

define rn = an+1 / an


How do we prove that..
rn = 2 - 1/(rn-2 + 1)

for all n>2



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The Attempt at a Solution



I attempted to manipulate rn = an+1 / an
by substituting an-1 + an-2 for an
and doing similar substitutions for other terms as well, I think that by making correct substitutions, it will eventually simplify to what we want to prove. So far, no luck...
 
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What did you get after the substitution? You seem to be on the right track, but to express the result in terms of rn-2, you probably need to either make the substitutions twice, or find a relation that expresses rn in terms of rn-1, then use this relation to express rn-1 in terms of rn-2
 
yep I think that's the way to do it, I made the substitution twice but I still don't know which substitutions or which algebraic tricks to use to get that +1 term behind the r(n-2). If you can please show me how
 
There is an algebraic trick that goes like this:
\frac{a}{a+b}=\frac{a+b-b}{a+b}=1-\frac{b}{a+b}
The way I did it, I had to use this trick, but I'm not going to give away the answer. Why don't you show what you got when you did the double substitution (unless this gets you to figure it out)?
 
what you did there was the example shown by my prof, which seems straightforward enough, but the other expression is what I can't get to
 
What step are you stuck at? What is your expression after you do the substitutions?
 
oh man I really don't want to type it out

basically after my first substitution a(n-1) + a(n-2) for an
I made a similar substitution for a(n+1) = an + a(n-1)
this doesn't really simplify down to the expression I want, so I said ok, let's keep substituting, so I took a(n-1) and substituted that with a(n-2) + a(n-3), but that just adds more terms that I can't cancel out...AAAAARRRRRGG, I'm so stuck
 
Here's a hint:
r_{n} = \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}} = \frac{a_{n} + a_{n-1}}{a_{n}} = 1 + \frac{a_{n-1}}{a_{n}} = 1 + \frac{1}{r_{n-1}}
Can you see what to do next? You have rn in terms of rn-1. Do you see how to make a substitution to express rn-1 in terms of rn-2? Also, learn how to type equations. You can click on them to see how they are typed.
 
hmm I finally figured out how but probably not the way you were suggesting, I just started from the end and worked backwards to get it

thanks for your time though
 

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