Proving (tan2x) - (sin2x) = (tan2x)(sin2x): Trigonometric Proof Help

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The discussion revolves around proving the equality of the expressions (tan2x) - (sin2x) and (tan2x)(sin2x) using trigonometric identities. Participants are exploring various approaches to manipulate these expressions and clarify their understanding of the underlying identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss substituting tan2x with sin2x / cos2x and attempt to simplify the resulting expressions. Some express confusion about factoring and the application of trigonometric identities, particularly the identity sin(x)^2 + cos(x)^2 = 1.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on factoring and simplifying expressions. There is a recognition of the need to connect various trigonometric identities, but no consensus has been reached on the final steps of the proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the identities and their application in the proof, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their progress.

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Homework Statement



(tan2x) - (sin2x) = (tan2x)(sin2x)

Prove these two are equal.

Homework Equations



Various trig identities, mainly tan2x = sin2x / cos2x

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried putting in Sin2x / cos2x for tan, but I don't know where to go from there.

Anyone mind helping me out?
 
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This has a really simple solution. Factor out sin(x)^2 from the left hand side and then simplify.
 
jgens said:
This has a really simple solution. Factor out sin(x)^2 from the left hand side and then simplify.

I don't how/where you can factor sin(x)^2 out in this case. This is what I have done to the left side thus far.

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x}{cos^{2}x} - \frac{sin^{2}x}{1}[/tex]

then

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x}{cos^{2}x} - \frac{sin^{2}xcos^{2}x}{cos^{2}x}[/tex]

which ends up as

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x - sin^{2}xcos^{2}x}{cos^{2}x}}[/tex]
 
Well, using your steps, you're almost at the solution. Again, factor sin(x)^2 out of the numerator and simplify. :)

This is what I was talking about in my initial post: tan(x)^2 - sin(x)^2 = sin(x)^2 (sec(x)^2 - 1), which is easy to simplify.
 
jgens said:
Well, using your steps, you're almost at the solution. Again, factor sin(x)^2 out of the numerator and simplify. :)

This is what I was talking about in my initial post: tan(x)^2 - sin(x)^2 = sin(x)^2 (sec(x)^2 - 1), which is easy to simplify.

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (1 -cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}}[/tex]

I'm missing something, because I still don't get it. What am I overlooking? Sin/Cos is equal to Tan, but then I have (1 - cos2x)/(cos2x)
 
Are you familiar with the trig. identity sin(x)^2 + cos(x)^2 = 1? If you are, the solution should seem fairly obvious in both instances.
 
At this point I have:

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (1 -cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}} = (\frac{sin^{2}x}{cos^{2}x})(\frac{sin^{2}x}{1}})[/tex]

I know that identity, but I can't see how it can be used on either side.

I'm sorry for my complete lack of ability to grasp this.
 
If you know that identity then you surely know 1 - cos(x)^2 = sin(x)^2 or similarly that sec(x)^2 - 1 = tan(x)^2.
 
Faint said:
At this point I have:

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (1 -cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}} = (\frac{sin^{2}x}{cos^{2}x})(\frac{sin^{2}x}{1}})[/tex]

I know that identity, but I can't see how it can be used on either side.

I'm sorry for my complete lack of ability to grasp this.

Just realized this:

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (1 -cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}} = \frac{sin^{2}x(sin^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}[/tex]

which turns into


[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (1 -cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}} = \frac{sin^{2}x(1-cos^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}[/tex]

Did I do anything incorrect there? And thank you very much for your help.
 
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Nothing there is incorrect - in fact that result should tell you something - but you should have made a connection which it appears you have still failed to make. If 1 - cos(x)^2 = sin(x)^2 and we have (1 - cos(x)^2)/cos(x)^2, what substitution can I make to simplify the expression?
 
  • #11
jgens said:
Nothing there is incorrect - in fact that result should tell you something - but you should have made a connection which it appears you have still failed to make. If 1 - cos(x)^2 = sin(x)^2 and we have (1 - cos(x)^2)/cos(x)^2, what substitution can I make to simplify the expression?

sin(x)^2
------------ = tan(x)^2
cos(x)^2

Correct? I get confused when this happens though:

[tex]\frac{sin^{2}x (sin^{2}x)}{cos^{2}x}}[/tex]

to

[tex]tan^{2}x\frac{sin^{2}x}{cos^{2}x}}[/tex]

or does the cos(x)^2 drop?
 
  • #12
The cos(x)^2 term does not drop but is merely factored out essentially in the tan(x)^2 term; hence, your resulting equation should read tan(x)^2 sin(x)^2. Q.E.D.
 
  • #13
jgens said:
The cos(x)^2 term does not drop but is merely factored out essentially in the tan(x)^2 term; hence, your resulting equation should read tan(x)^2 sin(x)^2. Q.E.D.

Okay, I understand. Thank you a lot for the great help. :)
 

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