Proving that (x+y)/2 Belongs to Interior of S in Vectorspace

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The problem involves a vector space V and a subset S with a specific property regarding the average of two vectors in S. The original poster seeks to prove that the average of a vector x in S and a vector y in the interior of S also belongs to the interior of S.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of y being in the interior of S and how it relates to vectors near y. There is consideration of representing vectors near (x+y)/2 as averages of vectors in S. Questions arise about the nature of open balls in the context of vector spaces and how they relate to the interior of S.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring the properties of open balls and their relationship to the interior of S. Some participants suggest that the set formed by averaging x and vectors in an open ball around y might also be contained in S, leading to the conclusion that (x+y)/2 could be in the interior of S. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the algebraic manipulation involved.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of open balls and their properties in vector spaces, as well as the implications of the given conditions on the vectors involved. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions related to the interior of S and the specific properties of the subset S.

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let V be a vector space and S be a subset of V.
S has the property that for a, b belonging in S, (a+b)/2 also belongs to S.

given: x belongs to S and y belongs to interior of S.
prove: (x+y)/2 belongs to interior of S.


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Where's your attempt at a solution? If y is in the interior of S what does that tell you about vectors 'near' y? Come on, try.
 
i was thinking of trying to represent vectors near (x+y)/2 as the average of 2 vectors in in S, this way we can deduce that the vector are also in S. but I am not sure how to pick these 2 vectors wisely.

to answer your question. if y is in the interior of S, then vectors near y are also in S
 
Ok. So there is an open ball around y of some radius r, B(y,r) such that every vector in B(y,r) is in S, that's what 'near' means right? What does the set (x+B(y,r))/2 look like?
 
What does the set (x+B(y,r))/2 look like?

the set also have to be contained in S
 
robertdeniro said:
What does the set (x+B(y,r))/2 look like?

the set also have to be contained in S

Ok, then is that a neighborhood of (x+y)/2? Would that put (x+y)/2 in the interior of S?
 
Dick said:
Ok, then is that a neighborhood of (x+y)/2? Would that put (x+y)/2 in the interior of S?

i guess yes. not sure how the algebra would work here...
 
robertdeniro said:
i guess yes. not sure how the algebra would work here...

It's a vector space. Isn't B(y,r)/2=B(y/2,r/2)? Think about how a ball is defined. What would x/2+B(y/2,r/2) be in terms of a ball?
 
Dick said:
It's a vector space. Isn't B(y,r)/2=B(y/2,r/2)? Think about how a ball is defined. What would x/2+B(y/2,r/2) be in terms of a ball?

you lost me here. why is B(y,r)=B(y/2, r/2)?
 
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robertdeniro said:
you lost me here. why is B(y,r)=B(y/2, r/2)?

It isn't. B(y,r)/2=B(y/2,r/2). B(y,r) is the set of all vectors y+x where |x|<r, isn't it? What's B(y,r)/2? You are getting lost too easily. Try to visualize it.
 
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oops didnt see the /2

so B(y,r)/2 is multiplying every element in the ball by 1/2. so i see where the B(y/2, r/2) is coming from now.

so (x+B(y,r))/2 = x/2 + B(y/2, r/2) = B((x+y)/2, r/2)?

so this means B((x+y)/2, r/2) is also contained in S, hence (x+y)/2 is in the interior?
 
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