Proving the Convergence of x_n for x_0 > √2: A Comprehensive Analysis

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The discussion revolves around proving the convergence of the recursive sequence defined by \( x_n = \frac{x_{n-1}}{2} + \frac{1}{x_{n-1}} \) with the initial condition \( x_0 > \sqrt{2} \). Participants explore the properties of the function related to the sequence and its behavior in relation to the value of \( \sqrt{2} \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the AM-GM inequality and the properties of the function \( f(x) = \frac{x}{2} + \frac{1}{x} \) to analyze the sequence. Questions about the increasing and decreasing nature of the function are raised, along with considerations of the limit of the sequence.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of hints and suggestions regarding the convergence of the sequence. Some participants express uncertainty about their approaches and seek alternative methods to demonstrate the properties of the sequence without relying on AM-GM.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of showing that \( x_n > \sqrt{2} \) and the implications of the initial condition \( x_0 > \sqrt{2} \) on the behavior of the sequence. There are references to the need for clarity on the function's behavior around \( \sqrt{2} \).

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Homework Statement



Show that

[tex]x_n = \frac{x_{n-1}}{2} + \frac{1}{x_{n-1}}[/tex] converges.

[tex]x_0 > \sqrt2[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am semi-stumped.

I guess I can use the AM-GM on [itex]x_n[/itex] to show that it is greater than root 2.

Then show that [itex]x_n - x_{n-1} < 0[/itex]


I think that solutions uses too much stuff.


I am looking hints at other solutions.
 
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Your recursive sequence is closely related to the function f(x)=x/2+1/x, in that x_n=f(x_(n-1)). It might be interesting to know where f is increasing and decreasing. Hint?
 
Dick said:
Your recursive sequence is closely related to the function f(x)=x/2+1/x, in that x_n=f(x_(n-1)). It might be interesting to know where f is increasing and decreasing. Hint?

Cool, I guess calculus is not that useless (joke). :P

So f(x) is increasing for [itex]|x| > \sqrt2[/itex].
f(x) is decreasing when |x| < sqrt(2)

That is no good.
 
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Any further hints ?
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Any further hints ?

If [itex]x_n[/itex] does converge, what must its limit be? You can easily determine this by taking limits of both sides of the defining recurrence relation.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Any further hints ?

I meant to say look at f(x)-x. That's what tells you whether x_n is greater than or less than f(x_n-1). Sorry.
 
jbunniii said:
If [itex]x_n[/itex] does converge, what must its limit be? You can easily determine this by taking limits of both sides of the defining recurrence relation.

I know what the limit should be. In fact, I already know the solution to the problem but I want a different solution.
I don't like this solution

[tex]x_n - x_{n-1} = \frac{1}{x_{n-1}} - \frac{x_{n-1}}{2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{x_{n-1}} - \frac{x_{n-1}}{2} < 0[/tex]

Implies

[tex]{x_{n-1}}^2 > 2[/tex]

Now I still need to use the fact that [itex]x_n > \sqrt2[/itex]:/.
Dick said:
I meant to say look at f(x)-x. That's what tells you whether x_n is greater than or less than f(x_n-1). Sorry.

It's okay, it's late at night. :)

So

f(x) -x = -x/2 + 1/x

f(x) -x < 0 when |x| > sqrt(2)This helps me out.

Anyway, at some point I would need to show that x_n > sqrt(2) :$. Any suggestions that do not use AM-GM.
 
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╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I know what the limit should be. In fact, I already know the solution to the problem but I want a different solution.
I don't like this solution

[tex]x_n - x_{n-1} = \frac{1}{x_{n-1}} - \frac{x_{n-1}}{2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{x_{n-1}} - \frac{x_{n-1}}{2} < 0[/tex]

Implies

[tex]{x_{n-1}}^2 > 2[/tex]

Now I still need to use the fact that [itex]x_n > \sqrt2[/itex]:/.




It's okay, it's late at night. :)

So

f(x) -x = -x/2 + 1/x

f(x) -x < 0 when |x| > sqrt(2)


This helps me out.

Anyway, at some point I would need to show that x_n > sqrt(2) :$. Any suggestions that do not use AM-GM.

Ok then. You ARE interested in where f(x) is increasing and decreasing. f(x)-sqrt(2) is 0 for x=sqrt(2) and increasing for x>sqrt(2). So if x0>sqrt(2), then f(x0)-sqrt(2)>0.
 
Dick said:
Ok then. You ARE interested in where f(x) is increasing and decreasing. f(x)-sqrt(2) is 0 for x=sqrt(2) and increasing for x>sqrt(2). So if x0>sqrt(2), then f(x0)-sqrt(2)>0.
Okay thanks a lot for the help.
 

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