Proving the Convergence of (y_n) Given a Properly Divergent Sequence (x_n)

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The problem involves a sequence (x_n) that is described as properly divergent and unbounded above, alongside a sequence (y_n) for which the limit of the product (x_n * y_n) exists. The goal is to prove that (y_n) converges to 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of (y_n) being bounded and the consequences if it does not converge to 0. Questions arise regarding the definition of a properly divergent sequence and whether specific examples meet the criteria.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and questioning the definitions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of (y_n) and its relationship to (x_n), but no consensus has been reached on the proof or the definitions.

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There is uncertainty regarding the definition of a properly divergent sequence, with participants seeking clarification on this concept. Additionally, the requirement that (x_n) is unbounded above is emphasized as crucial to the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that (x_n) is a properly divergent sequence, and suppose that (x_n) is unbounded above. Suppose that there exists a sequence (y_n) such that limit (x_n * y_n) exists. Prove that (y_n) ===> 0.


Homework Equations


(x_n) ===> 0 <====> (1/x_n) ===> 0


The Attempt at a Solution


One can say with certanty that (y_n) must be bounded, as if it weren't, for all K in Naturals, there exists a b_1 in (x_n) > |K| and b_2 > |K|, and there product is unbounded.

If (y_n) is bounded, and does not converge to 0, then... what?

That's where I'm stuck. How do I finish this?

Thanks.
 
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If y_n does not converge to zero then there is an e>0 such that for all N there is an n>N such that |y_n|>e. If x_n is unbounded, what does this tell about y_n*x_n?
 
When I was trying to prove it directly (for fun), I met some problems.
What is a *properly* divergent sequence?( I cannot find its definition in books)
If x_n is defined as follows:
x_n = 0 when n is even, x_n = n when n is odd
is it of such kind?
If so, define y_n as:
y_n = 1 when n is even, y_n = 0 when n is odd

does this gives x_n*y_n = 0, as a counter??
 
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boombaby said:
When I was trying to prove it directly (for fun), I met some problems.
What is a *properly* divergent sequence?( I cannot find its definition in books)
If x_n is defined as follows:
x_n = 0 when n is even, x_n = n when n is odd
is it of such kind?
If so, define y_n as:
y_n = 1 when n is even, y_n = 0 when n is odd

does this gives x_n*y_n = 0, as a counter??
The crucial part of the problem is "suppose that (x_n) is unbounded above". Your example does not satisfy that.
 
A properly divergent series is one such that

(mathematics) A series whose partial sums become either arbitrarily large or arbitrarily small (algebraically).

So turning each partial sum into an element of the sequence, I believe a properly divergent sequence is one in which for all M there exists k s.t. j>k => |xj|>M
 
Office_Shredder said:
A properly divergent series is one such that

(mathematics) A series whose partial sums become either arbitrarily large or arbitrarily small (algebraically).

So turning each partial sum into an element of the sequence, I believe a properly divergent sequence is one in which for all M there exists k s.t. j>k => |xj|>M

Thanks..I forgot to search the web... That would make sense. So a direct proof is also not hard.

BTW, to HallsofIvy, my x_n do satisfy the unboundedness, IMO.
 

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